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FXCA20 KWBC 061851  
PMDCA  
 
TROPICAL DISCUSSION - INTERNATIONAL DESKS  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
151 PM EST FRI NOV 06 2009  
 
AT 15UTC...TD IDA CENTERED NEAR 15.0N 84.0W...WITH MINIMAL CENTRAL  
PRESSURE OF 1007 HPA AND MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS OF 40KT. SEE TPC  
BULLETIN FOR UPDATES.  
 
DISCUSSION FROM NOV 06/0000 UTC. AT MID/UPPER LEVELS...A SOUTHERN  
STREAM SHORT WAVE TROUGH WILL ENTER THE NORTHWEST STATES OF MEXICO  
THROUGH 42-48 HRS...WITH CLOSED CIRCULATION ALONG THE BORDER  
BETWEEN ARIZONA-SONORA MEXICO. THROUGH 72 HRS THE LOW WILL LIFT TO  
THE NORTHWEST... DRAGGING THE TROUGH ACROSS NORTHEAST MEXICO.  
ALTHOUGH MODELS SHOW STRONG ROTATION IN ASSOCIATION WITH THIS  
SYSTEM...AVAILABLE MOISTURE IS LACKING. THE REGIONAL NAM IS THE  
ONLY MODEL THAT SHOWS SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL AMOUNTS ON THE NORTHERN  
STATES OF CHIHUAHUA-COAHUILA...WITH ACCUMULATION OF 05-10MM/DAY  
AND MAXIMA OF 15-25MM. THE GFS...IN CONTRAST...ONLY SHOWS TRACE  
RAINFALL AMOUNTS... AND IN OUR FORECAST WE ARE GOING WITH THE  
LESSER AMOUNTS.  
 
AS THE 500 HPA TROUGH ENTERS MEXICO...IT WILL INTERACT WITH A  
MEANDERING SHORT WAVE TROUGH OVER THE WESTERN GULF/ SOUTHERN  
MEXICO. EARLY IN THE PERIOD THE TROUGH WILL REMAIN NEARLY  
STATIONARY ALONG 96W/97W TO 10N. BY 42-48 HRS... HOWEVER...IT WILL  
START TO PULL EAST AND NORTH ALONG 92W/93W...AND BY 72 HRS IT IS  
TO RAPIDLY DAMPEN WHILE SHEARING TO THE NORTHEAST. AT LOW  
LEVELS...IT SUPPORTS AN INDUCED/INVERTED TROUGH ALONG 90W/92W.  
CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS FORECASTS...THIS FEATURE IS FORECAST  
TO WEAKEN THROUGH 36-48 HRS WHILE GRADUALLY TILTING FROM SOUTHEAST  
TO NORTHWEST ACROSS THE GULF. AN ILL ORGANIZED LOW/TROUGH WILL  
THEN REMAIN TO THE EAST OF VERACRUZ MEXICO. AS THE TROUGH  
WEAKENS/TILTS...THE FLOW ACROSS SOUTHERN MEXICO WILL SHIFT AND  
BECOME NEARLY PARALLEL TO THE GULF COAST. THE WINDS ARE TO ALSO  
DECREASE IN INTENSITY. THIS WILL LEAD TO A DECREASE IN  
OROGRAPHICALLY INDUCED CONVECTION ACROSS SOUTHERN MEXICO. ACROSS  
TABASCO-CENTRAL/NORTHERN CHIAPAS-NORTHERN OAXACA AND SOUTHERN  
VERACRUZ EXPECT RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 10-15MM/DAY AND MAXIMA OF  
20-40MM/DAY THROUGH 36-42 HRS. AFTERWARDS...MOST INTENSE  
CONVECTION IS EXPECTED OFF THE COAST.  
 
FURTHERMORE...AS THE MID/UPPER TROUGH DEEPENS ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST  
USA/NORTHWEST MEXICO...IT WILL SUSTAIN THE NORTHWARD AMPLIFICATION  
OF A RIDGE ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST/ EASTERN USA TO THE WESTERN  
ATLANTIC. THE MID/UPPER LEVEL RIDGE WILL REACH MAXIMUM AMPLITUDE  
BETWEEN 48-72 HRS. A POLAR TROUGH LIES TO THE EAST...AND AS THE  
RIDGE OVER THE CONTINENT AMPLIFIES...THE TROUGH IS THEN FORECAST  
TO DEEPEN. AT 24 HRS THE TROUGH WILL EXTEND BETWEEN 55W-85W AND TO  
THE NORTH OF 26N. AT 60-72 HRS...THE TROUGH IS TO THEN AMPLIFY  
ALONG 35N 50W...25N 60W TO NORTH OF HISPANIOLA. AT 96-108 HRS A  
CLOSED LOW WILL FORM ALONG THE BASE OF THE TROUGH NEAR 23N  
60W...WITH AXIS TO SIMULTANEOUSLY DEEPEN INTO THE EASTERN  
CARIBBEAN/OFF THE COAST OF VENEZUELA. THIS WILL BRING COLD AIR  
ADVECTION ALOFT TO THE NORTHEAST CARIBBEAN ISLANDS...MOST  
SIGNIFICANT ACROSS THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC-PUERTO RICO...WHERE IT  
IS LIKELY TO SUSTAIN AN INCREASE IN CONVECTION. AT LOW LEVELS AN  
ELONGATED FRONT TRAILS ACROSS THE NORTHWEST BAHAMAS-FLORIDA KEYS  
TO THE GULF OF MEXICO. THROUGH 30-36 HRS IT WILL MOVE TO THE  
NORTHWEST/CENTRAL BAHAMAS...ALONG THE NORTHWEST COAST OF  
CUBA/STRAITS OF FLORIDA TO THE WESTERN GULF OF MEXICO. BY 36-48  
HRS IT WILL MEANDER ACROSS THE CENTRAL BAHAMAS...THEN WEST ALONG  
22N THROUGH CUBA TO THE GULF. AT 48-60 HRS IT WILL LIE ACROSS THE  
TURKS/SOUTHEAST BAHAMAS-MEANDERING WEST ACROSS CUBA ALONG 22N INTO  
THE GULF OF MEXICO. BY 72-84 HRS THE FRONT WILL START BOWING  
TOWARDS NORTHERN HISPANIOLA...WHILE PIVOTING OVER THE TURKS/  
SOUTHEAST BAHAMAS-CENTRAL/WESTERN CUBA TO THE GULF OF MEXICO. OVER  
THE NORTHWEST-CENTRAL BAHAMAS IT IS TO INITIALLY FAVOR RAINFALL  
AMOUNTS OF 05-10MM/DAY AND MAXIMA OF 15-25MM/DAY IN ISOLATED TO  
SCATTERED CONVECTION. ACROSS THE CENTRAL/SOUTHEAST BAHAMAS THIS  
WILL INCREASE TO 20-35MM/DAY...WITH LOCALIZED MAXIMA IN EXCESS OF  
50MM QUITE POSSIBLE BY 60-72 HRS.  
 
FURTHERMORE...THE GFS SHOWS A FRONTAL SHEARLINE DEVELOPING AHEAD  
OF THIS FRONT...WITH BOUNDARY AT 1000 HPA FORECAST TO MOVE FROM  
THE SOUTHEAST BAHAMAS/HAITI EARLY IN THE CYCLE TO PUERTO  
RICO/EASTERN HISPANIOLA BY 24-36 HRS. IT IS TO THEN MEANDER  
BETWEEN EASTERN HISPANIOLA/WESTERN PUERTO RICO THROUGH 48-60  
HRS...AND BY 72-84 HRS IT WILL SHIFT ACROSS THE VIRGIN  
ISLANDS-EASTERN PUERTO RICO. IN ADDITION TO SUSTAINING A SLIGHT  
INCREASE IN LOW LEVEL CONVERGENCE... THIS WILL SUSTAIN A SYNOPTIC  
SCALE NORTHEASTERLY FLOW ACROSS THE NORTHEAST CARIBBEAN ISLANDS.  
ACROSS THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC-PUERTO RICO AND THE VIRGIN ISLANDS  
WE EXPECT A SLIGHT INCREASE IN CONVECTION...WITH RAINFALL AMOUNTS  
OF 05-10MM/DAY. MAXIMA OF 15-25MM WILL CONCENTRATE OVER THE  
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC AND PUERTO RICO ON DAY 02...TO INCREASE TO  
20-35MM/DAY ON DAY 03.  
 
AN UPPER LEVEL RIDGE IS INITIALIZED OVER NORTHERN SOUTH  
AMERICA/CENTRAL-EASTERN CARIBBEAN...WITH AXIS CENTERING ON A  
CLOSED 250 HPA HIGH NORTH OF LA GUAJIRA PENINSULA. THE RIDGE  
PATTERN WILL PERSIST THROUGH 72 HRS...BUT IT TENDS TO WEAKEN NORTH  
OF THE ISLANDS AS THE AFOREMENTIONED TROUGH AMPLIFIES TO THE  
SOUTH. AT 500 HPA IT REFLECTS AS A SHORT WAVE RIDGE OVER THE  
EASTERN/CENTRAL CARIBBEAN. THIS SUSTAINS A WEAK SUBSIDENCE CAP  
ACROSS THE EASTERN CARIBBEAN ISLANDS...WITH LOCAL RADIOSONDE  
OBSERVATIONS SHOWING INVERSION HEIGHT AROUND 700-650 HPA. THE GFS  
IS FORECASTING THIS PATTERN TO PERSIST DURING THE NEXT 60-72  
HRS...WITH WEAKENING BY 72-96 HRS AS THE TROUGH INTRUDES THE  
NORTHEAST CARIBBEAN.  
 
TD IDA...OVER NORTHEAST HONDURAS/NICARAGUA...WILL MOVE TO THE  
WESTERN CARIBBEAN EARLY THIS PERIOD. AS INDICATED BY THE TPC...THE  
SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO GRADUALLY STRENGTHEN WHILE MOVING TO THE  
NORTHWEST TOWARDS THE YUCATAN CHANNEL DURING THE NEXT THREE DAYS.  
SOME RESIDUAL CONVECTION IS EXPECTED ACROSS NORTHEAST NICARAGUA TO  
RESULT IN ACCUMULATION OF 05-10MM/DAY AND MAXIMA OF 15-25MM/DAY.  
OVER NORTHEAST HONDURAS...TO CONCENTRATE BETWEEN ROATAN/LA  
CEIBA-PUERTO LEMPIRA...EXPECT ACCUMULATION OF 10-15MM/DAY AND  
MAXIMA OF 20-40MM/DAY. AS THE SYSTEM EMERGES OVER THE WESTERN  
CARIBBEAN...CONVECTION IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE ACROSS THE CAYMAN  
ISLANDS AND THE YUCATAN PENINSULA. OVER THE CAYMAN ISLANDS EXPECT  
ACCUMULATION OF 15-25MM/DAY AND MAXIMA OF 40-70MM...WHILE OVER THE  
YUCATAN/NORTHERN BELIZE INITIALLY EXPECT ACCUMULATION OF  
10-15MM/DAY AND MAXIMA OF 20-35MM. ON DAY 03 THIS WILL INCREASE TO  
15-25MM/DAY AND MAXIMA OF 40-70MM/DAY WHILE CONCENTRATING ACROSS  
QUINTANA ROO/NORTHERN BELIZE TO EASTERN YUCATAN. OTHER ACTIVITY IS  
EXPECTED ACROSS WESTERN CUBA...WITH MOST INTENSE EXPECTED BETWEEN  
CIUDAD HABANA-PINAR DEL RIO AND ISLA DE LA JUVENTUD...WITH  
ACCUMULATION OF 75-150MM/DAY AND MAXIMA OF 250-350MM/DAY. IN THIS  
AREA CONSIDER POSSIBILITY OF STRONG MECHANICAL FORCING AS THE  
TROPICAL CYCLONE STARTS TO INTERACT WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED  
SURFACE FRONT OVER THE ISLAND. ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE MODELS  
FORECAST THE FRONT TO RETROGRESS UNDER INFLUENCE OF THE  
STORM...ENOUGH MECHANICAL FORCING MIGHT REMAIN TO RESULT IN  
EXCESSIVE RAINFALL AMOUNTS. IN NEARLY IDEAL CONDITIONS...AND AS A  
WORST CASE SCENARIO...THE MAXIMA IN THIS AREA COULD PEAK AT  
500-750MM.  
 
FARTHER SOUTH...OVER THE EASTERN PACIFIC...A LOW ALONG THE ITCZ  
NEAR 12N 92W CONTINUES TO FAVOR MOISTURE ADVECTION INTO SOUTHERN  
GUATEMALA-EL SALVADOR/SOUTHERN HONDURAS AND WESTERN NICARAGUA.  
MODELS ARE HAVING A HARD TIME DEALING WITH THIS LOW...AND THEY  
FAIL TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY WITH PREVIOUS FORECASTS.  
WE...HOWEVER...STILL BELIEVE THAT AS TD IDA STRENGTHENS OVER THE  
WESTERN CARIBBEAN...IT IS GOING TO DRAW THE EASTERN PACIFIC LOW TO  
THE NORTHEAST ACROSS EL SALVADOR/SOUTHERN HONDURAS BY 36-48 HRS.  
INITIALLY EXPECT RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 10-20MM/DAY AND MAXIMA OF  
40-60MM. THROUGH 48 HRS THIS WILL INCREASE TO 15-25MM/DAY AND  
MAXIMA OF 40-70MM. THE MOST INTENSE IS TO CONCENTRATE OVER GULF OF  
FONSECA REGION/TEGUCIGALPA...WITH MAXIMA TO PEAK AROUND 100MM.  
 
AS THE TROPICAL CYCLONES MODULATE THE EASTERN PACIFIC  
ITCZ...CONVECTION ACROSS SOUTHERN CENTRAL AMERICA IS TO REMAIN  
GENERALLY SPARSE WITH ACCUMULATION OF 05-10MM/DAY AND MAXIMA OF  
15MM. ACROSS THE ABC ISLANDS...LA GUAJIRA PENINSULA/NORTHWEST  
VENEZUELA-NORTHERN COLOMBIA/EJE CAFETERO/THE DARIEN IN EASTERN  
PANAMA...EXPECT ACCUMULATION OF 10-15MM/DAY AND MAXIMA OF 20-35MM  
IN A DIURNAL PATTERN. LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED ACROSS  
EJE CAFETERO/ SANTANDERES COLOMBIA-LAKE MARACAIBO REGION...WHERE  
THE DAILY MAXIMA COULD PEAK AT 25-50MM/DAY. OTHER LOCALIZED  
MAXIMUM ARE EXPECTED ALONG THE PACIFIC COAST OF COLOMBIA BETWEEN  
CHOCO AND VALLE DEL CAUCA.  
 
A TUTT TO THE EAST OF THE ISLANDS AND NORTH OF THE GUIANAS IS TO  
PERSIST DURING THE NEXT 48 HRS...THEN START TO WEAKEN BY 60-72 HRS  
AS THE POLAR TROUGH PATTERN NORTH OF THE ISLANDS INTENSIFIES. BY  
THE END OF THE CYCLE THE TUTT WILL SHEAR TO THE EAST-NORTHEAST.  
MOST ACTIVE CONVECTION WITH THIS FEATURE IS DEVELOPING TO THE EAST  
OF 45W AS IT ENHANCES ITCZ RELATED CONVECTION OVER THE TROPICAL  
ATLANTIC. OVER THE SOUTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS/ORINOCO DELTA REGION  
ITCZ RELATED CONVECTION WILL RANGE BETWEEN 05-10MM/DAY...WITH  
WIDELY ISOLATED MAXIMA OF 15-25MM/DAY.  
 
PUERTO RICO AND THE USVI: AS A SUBSIDENCE PATTERN ESTABLISHES AT  
UPPER LEVELS...WE EXPECT A RELATIVELY DRY AND STABLE PATTERN TO  
ESTABLISH INTO THE WEEKEND. A SLIGHT INCREASE IN ACTIVITY IS  
POSSIBLE UNDER INFLUENCE OF THE FRONTAL SHEAR LINE...BUT MOST  
ACTIVE IS GOING TO BE ACROSS THE WESTERN/INTERIOR PORTIONS OF THE  
ISLAND. ON SUNDAY TO MONDAY...AS THE SURFACE FRONT  
APPROACHES...AND THE MID/UPPER TROUGH DEEPENS...CONDITIONS WILL  
BECOME MORE FAVORABLE FOR ORGANIZED CONVECTION TO DEVELOP...SO THE  
GENERAL TREND IS FOR HIGHER RAINFALL AMOUNTS.  
 
INVERTED TROUGHS IN THE EASTERLIES (INITIALIZED AT 12Z)  
 
INITIAL F24 F36 F48 F60 F72 F84  
NONE  
 
CANALES...SMN (HONDURAS)  
DAVISON...NCEP (USA)  
 

 
 
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