935  
FXUS63 KGLD 092121  
AFDGLD  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GOODLAND KS  
221 PM MST MON NOV 9 2009  
   
DISCUSSION
 
 
220 PM MST MON NOV 9 2009  
 
18Z WATER VAPOR IMAGERY INDICATED UPPER LEVEL RIDGING ACROSS THE  
NORTHERN ROCKIES...WITH SOME INDICATION OF A WEAK SHORT WAVE TROUGH  
MOVING UNDER THE RIDGE ACROSS SOUTHERN KANSAS. AT THE SFC...A RIDGE  
AXIS WAS DRAPED ACROSS THE CWA.  
 
TONIGHT...WEAK SHORT WAVE TROUGH WILL GRADUALLY SLIDE TO THE EAST  
EARLY IN THE EVENING...WITH SHORT WAVE RIDGING BUILDING INTO THE  
AREA. THIS TROUGH HAS SET OFF A FEW STORMS ALREADY...SO MAIN CONCERN  
WILL BE IF THESE SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE AT ALL IN THE EVENING. H7-H3  
DIV Q FIELDS SEEM TO MATCH UP WELL WITH CURRENT ACTIVITY AND  
INDICATE FORCING FOR SUBSIDENCE OVER THE AREA BY 00Z...WHICH LINES  
UP WELL WITH TIMING FROM RADAR LOOPS. OTHERWISE REST OF THE NIGHT  
SHOULD REMAIN QUIET...ALTHOUGH THERE APPEARS TO BE SOME SMALL  
POTENTIAL FOR STRATUS/FOG ALONG BACK SIDE OF DEPARTING SFC HIGH.  
 
TUESDAY-TUESDAY NIGHT...SHORT WAVE RIDGE WILL GRADUALLY SHIFT TO THE  
EAST DURING THE DAY...WITH CWA GENERALLY ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF  
LARGE H5 RIDGE AXIS BY WEDNESDAY MORNING. WHILE SUBSIDENCE IS LIKELY  
ALOFT...APPEARS FAIRLY STRONG MOISTURE ADVECTION WILL BE UNDERWAY BY  
TUESDAY AFTERNOON...LEADING TO THE POTENTIAL FOR WIDESPREAD STRATUS  
DECK DEVELOPING BY TUESDAY NIGHT. POINT SOUNDINGS SUGGEST PLENTY OF  
LOW LEVEL LIFT UNDER STABLE MID LEVEL LAYER. WHILE THERE IS SOME  
QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW SATURATED THE NEAR SFC LEVELS WILL GET...LOOKS  
LIKE POTENTIAL FOR DRIZZLE/FOG OVERNIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY MORNING.  
THINK ANY STRATUS WILL HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT ON TEMPERATURES THROUGH  
THE DAY...BUT WILL HOLD UP OVERNIGHT LOWS SEVERAL DEGREES.  
 
WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY...H5 RIDGE WILL SHIFT TO THE EAST SLIGHTLY...BUT WILL  
CONTINUE TO IMPACT THE AREA WITH DRY AND STABLE AIRMASS IN PLACE  
ACROSS THE AREA. FAIRLY MOIST SOUTHERLY FLOW WILL CONTINUE THROUGH  
THE PERIOD AND WITH LITTLE IN THE WAY OF ANY KIND OF AIRMASS CHANGE  
AM A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT IT COULD LINGER AROUND FOR SOME  
TIME...IMPACTING TEMPS. SLIGHT BREAKDOWN OF THE RIDGE WILL ALLOW FOR  
SOME SOUTHWESTERLY LOW LEVEL FLOW HOWEVER SO CONFIDENCE IN  
WIDESPREAD PROLONGED STRATUS IS NOT PARTICULARLY HIGH. NEXT COLD  
FRONT WILL BEGIN TO IMPACT THE AREA LATE IN THE DAY THURSDAY...BUT  
WITH H7 THERMAL RIDGE REMAINING IN PLACE AIRMASS WILL BE TO STABLE  
AND DRY TO SUPPORT ANY PRECIP CHANCES ALONG THE SFC FRONT. WITH  
STRATUS DECK SLOWLY LIFTING TO THE EAST AND NORTHEAST...WILL LIKELY  
SEE A RATHER SHARP TEMPERATURE GRADIENT SET UP ACROSS THE AREA.  
THINK MCK WILL BE COOLEST SPOT AS THEY SHOULD SEE THE LONGEST PERIOD  
UNDERNEATH THE STRATUS DECK.  
 
 
IN THE EXTENDED...MEDIUM RANGE MODELS DIVERGE IN HANDLING SHORT  
WAVE TROUGH MOVING ACROSS THE AREA DURING THE WEEKEND. ENSEMBLE  
DATA OFF OF BOTH THE GFS AND ECMWF ARE SHOWING A WIDE SPREAD OF  
SOLUTIONS...AND CONFIDENCE VERY LOW IN ANY PARTICULAR SOLUTION. FOR  
NOW THINK KEEPING FORECAST CLOSER TO ENSEMBLE MEAN SOLUTION WOULD BE  
BEST MOVE...AS TRYING TO DEPICT ANY SPECIFIC DETAIL DURING THIS  
PATTERN WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT. FOR PRECIP CHANCES...WITH  
OPERATIONAL MODELS APPARENTLY ABOUT 24 HOURS OUT OF PHASE WITH EACH  
OTHER AND LARGE SPREAD IN ENSEMBLE MEMBERS...PINPOINTING ANY ONE  
PERIOD AS HAVING A BETTER CHANCE THAN THE OTHER IS DIFFICULT. BASED  
ON MEAN DATA...THINK A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE FAST GFS AND SLOW  
ECMWF IS BEST IDEA AT THIS TIME. 12Z GFS HAS TAKEN A RADICAL  
DEPARTURE FROM PREVIOUS RUNS AND WHILE THERE ARE A FEW INDIVIDUAL  
ENSEMBLE MEMBERS THAT WOULD SUPPORT A SOLUTION LIKE  
THIS...CONFIDENCE FAR TOO LOW TO COMPLETELY GO WITH THIS SOLUTION.  
WILL KEEP LOW POPS IN THROUGH THE WEEKEND AND CUT BACK TEMPS A  
BIT...BUT WILL WEIGHT FOR SOME ENSEMBLE SUPPORT AND BETTER RUN TO RUN  
CONSISTENCY BEFORE MAKING A RADICAL FORECAST DEPARTURE.  
 
JRM  

 
   
AVIATION
 
 
1104 AM MST MON NOV 9 2009  
 
18Z TAFS...VFR THROUGH LATE TONIGHT BEFORE CONFIDENCE DECREASES WITH  
A RETURN TO SOUTHERLY WINDS. LOW PROBABILITIES FOR REDUCED FLIGHT  
CATEGORIES (IFR-MVFR) WILL EXIST AT KGLD AFTER 07-09Z WITH POSSIBLE  
CEILINGS IN THE 1000-2500 FT RANGE.  
 
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GLD WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES
 
 
KS...NONE.  
NE...NONE.  
CO...NONE.  

 
 

 
 
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