291  
WTPZ45 KNHC 172030  
TCDEP5  
TROPICAL STORM KIKO DISCUSSION NUMBER 12  
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP152007  
200 PM PDT WED OCT 17 2007  
 
THE CLOUD PATTERN OF KIKO HAS BECOME RATHER DISORGANIZED THIS  
AFTERNOON...WITH THE LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION ELONGATED FROM  
EAST-NORTHEAST TO WEST-SOUTHWEST AND THE CONVECTION DISPLACED TO  
THE WEST BY 25 KT EASTERLY VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. OVERALL...THE  
SYSTEM GIVES THE IMPRESSION OF BEING A SMALL LOW EMBEDDED IN THE  
ITCZ OR MONSOON TROUGH. SATELLITE INTENSITY ESTIMATES ARE 45 KT  
FROM TAFB AND SAB...BUT BASED ON THE RAGGED APPEARANCE THE INITIAL  
INTENSITY WILL REMAIN 35 KT.  
 
VISIBLE AND MICROWAVE IMAGERY INDICATES THAT THE CENTER IS FARTHER  
EAST THAN PREVIOUS THOUGHT...SO THE INITIAL POSITION IS A  
RE-LOCATION. THE INITIAL MOTION IS A RATHER UNCERTAIN 080/6.  
KIKO IS SOUTH OF A BREAK IN THE MID-LEVEL SUBTROPICAL RIDGE CAUSED  
BY A STRONG DEEP-LAYER TROUGH OVER THE CENTRAL UNITED STATES....AND  
MUCH OF THE CURRENT MOTION MAY BE DUE TO LOW-LEVEL STEERING.  
LARGE-SCALE MODELS FORECAST A MID-LEVEL RIDGE TO BUILD OVER  
NORTHERN MEXICO BY 72 HR AS THE U.S. TROUGH MOVES EASTWARD. IN  
THEORY...THIS SHOULD STOP THE CURRENT MOTION AND ALLOW KIKO TO TURN  
GENERALLY NORTHWARD. WHILE MOST GUIDANCE SHOWS A NORTHWARD TURN IN  
12 HR...THE BAMS AND ECMWF CONTINUE AN EASTWARD COMPONENT FOR 36 HR  
OR MORE. AS A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THESE EXTREMES...THE NEW FORECAST  
TRACK CALLS FOR 12 MORE HR OF EASTWARD MOTION FOLLOWED BY A SLOW  
NORTHWARD MOTION. AFTER 72 HR...THE MEXICAN RIDGE WEAKENS AS A  
SECOND DEEP-LAYER TROUGH MOVES INTO THE CENTRAL UNITED STATES. THE  
MODELS REMAIN IN POOR AGREEMENT ON WHAT THE SECOND TROUGH WILL DO  
TO KIKO. THE ECMWF AND NOGAPS HAVE A DEEPER TROUGH FARTHER  
WEST...AND BRING KIKO NEAR OR OVER MAINLAND MEXICO. THE GFS AND  
THE UKMET HAVE THE TROUGH FARTHER EAST AND RIDGING NORTHWEST OF  
KIKO...AND TURN THE STORM WESTWARD AWAY FROM THE COAST. GIVEN THE  
DISAGREEMENT...THE FORECAST TRACK CALLS FOR A SLOW NORTHWESTWARD  
MOTION AFTER 72 HR. THE NEW FORECAST TRACK IS SHIFTED WELL TO THE  
EAST OF THE PREVIOUS TRACK BASED ON THE CURRENT POSITION AND  
MOTION. IT LIES WELL EAST OF THE MODEL CONSENSUS BUT WEST OF THE  
ECMWF.  
 
THE LARGE-SCALE MODELS FORECAST THE SHEAR TO DECREASE AFTER 24  
HR...WITH GENERALLY FAVORABLE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS FORECAST BEYOND  
THAT TIME. THIS SHOULD ALLOW SOME STRENGTHENING IF THE SYSTEM  
DOESN'T LOSE ITS IDENTITY IN THE ITCZ BEFORE THEN. THE SHIPS AND  
GFDL MODELS CALL FOR A 50-60 KT INTENSITY BY THE END OF THE  
FORECAST PERIOD...WHILE HWRF CALLS FOR HURRICANE STRENGTH. THE  
INTENSITY FORECAST IS UNCHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY AS A  
COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE SHIPS AND GFDL.  
 
THE NEW FORECAST TRACK IS MUCH CLOSER TO THE SOUTHWESTERN COAST OF  
MEXICO THAN THE PREVIOUS FORECAST...AND INTERESTS THERE SHOULD  
MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF KIKO.  
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INITIAL 17/2100Z 14.6N 105.4W 35 KT  
12HR VT 18/0600Z 14.9N 104.7W 35 KT  
24HR VT 18/1800Z 15.5N 104.7W 35 KT  
36HR VT 19/0600Z 16.1N 104.8W 40 KT  
48HR VT 19/1800Z 16.7N 105.0W 45 KT  
72HR VT 20/1800Z 17.5N 105.5W 50 KT  
96HR VT 21/1800Z 18.5N 106.0W 55 KT  
120HR VT 22/1800Z 19.0N 106.5W 55 KT  
 
 
FORECASTER BEVEN  
 
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