226  
WTNT41 KNHC 291456  
TCDAT1  
TROPICAL STORM NOEL DISCUSSION NUMBER 8  
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL162007  
1100 AM EDT MON OCT 29 2007  
 
NOEL HAS BECOME LESS ORGANIZED AS IT INTERACTS WITH THE COMPLEX  
TERRAIN OF HISPANIOLA. A MID-LEVEL VORTICITY MAXIMUM EMERGED NORTH  
OF THE ISLAND A FEW HOURS AGO...AND VISIBLE IMAGERY SUGGESTS A  
LOW-LEVEL CENTER IS REFORMING ALONG THE NORTHWESTERN COAST OF  
HAITI. UNTIL THE NEXT AIR FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE INVESTIGATES  
THE AREA THIS AFTERNOON...THE LOCATION...FORWARD MOTION...AND EVEN  
THE EXISTENCE OF A LOW-LEVEL CENTER REMAIN RATHER UNCERTAIN.  
 
OUR BEST ESTIMATE OF THE INITIAL MOTION IS NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD OR  
335/10...WITH STEERING PROVIDED BY A LOW- TO MID-LEVEL RIDGE NORTH  
AND EAST OF THE CYCLONE. NEARLY ALL OF THE DYNAMICAL MODELS  
FORECAST A SURFACE LOW TO BECOME RE-ESTABLISHED SOMEWHERE OVER THE  
BAHAMAS DURING THE NEXT DAY OR SO...BUT THEY DO NOT AGREE ON THE  
VERTICAL EXTENT OF THE CIRCULATION. THE GFDL CONTINUES TO INSIST ON  
NOEL BECOMING A HURRICANE THAT WILL ACCELERATE QUICKLY NORTHWARD  
AND THEN NORTHEASTWARD. THE OTHER EXTREME IS THE ECMWF THAT DEPICTS  
A WEAK SURFACE LOW HANGING OUT NEAR CUBA FOR THE NEXT FIVE DAYS.  
THE REMAINING MODELS ARE IN BETWEEN...AND FORECAST A GENERAL  
NORTHWESTWARD MOTION WITH A DECREASE IN FORWARD SPEED DURING THE  
NEXT 48 HOURS. SOME OF THOSE MODELS...INCLUDING THE GFS...FORECAST  
LITTLE MOTION ON DAYS 3-5...WHILE THE NOGAPS SHOWS A NORTHEASTWARD  
ACCELERATION IN THAT TIME FRAME. THE NEW OFFICIAL TRACK FORECAST  
SHOWS A WEAKENING AND INCREASINGLY SHALLOW CYCLONE THAT SLOWLY  
RECURVES NORTHEASTWARD OVER THE BAHAMAS AFTER 48 HOURS...IN  
RESPONSE TO AN APPROACHING SHORT-WAVE TROUGH...SIMILAR TO THE HWRF  
SOLUTION AND A LITTLE SLOWER THAN THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY.  
 
ASSUMING THE CYCLONE REGAINS SUFFICIENT ORGANIZATION AFTER BEING  
DISRUPTED OVER HISPANIOLA...ATMOSPHERIC AND OCEAN CONDITIONS SHOULD  
PROVIDE NOEL WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO STRENGTHEN A LITTLE DURING THE  
NEXT DAY OR TWO. THEREAFTER...WESTERLY WIND SHEAR SHOULD  
DRAMATICALLY INCREASE AND INDUCE A WEAKENING TREND. THE NEW  
OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST IS ADJUSTED SLIGHTLY DOWNWARD COMPARED  
TO THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY...ESPECIALLY AFTER 48 HOURS. THIS  
FORECAST IS IN BEST AGREEMENT WITH THE LGEM AND HWRF GUIDANCE...AND  
BELOW THE SHIPS AND GFDL.  
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INITIAL 29/1500Z 19.9N 73.0W 40 KT  
12HR VT 30/0000Z 21.2N 73.7W 40 KT  
24HR VT 30/1200Z 22.4N 74.4W 45 KT  
36HR VT 31/0000Z 23.4N 75.4W 50 KT  
48HR VT 31/1200Z 24.3N 76.7W 50 KT  
72HR VT 01/1200Z 26.0N 76.5W 45 KT  
96HR VT 02/1200Z 28.0N 75.0W 40 KT  
120HR VT 03/1200Z 30.0N 72.5W 35 KT  
 

 
FORECASTER KNABB/MAINELLI  
 
 
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