177  
WTNT42 KNHC 120309  
TCDAT2  
TROPICAL STORM FRED DISCUSSION NUMBER 18...CORRECTED  
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL072009  
1100 PM AST FRI SEP 11 2009  
 
CORRECTED FOR DISCUSSION OF DVORAK ESTIMATES  
 
FRED CONTINUES TO PRODUCE DEEP CONVECTION...ALTHOUGH THE COLDEST  
CLOUD TOPS ARE NOW DISPLACED MORE THAN A DEGREE NORTH OF THE  
LOW-LEVEL CENTER. THIS DISPLACEMENT IS DUE TO ABOUT 20 KNOTS OF  
SOUTHERLY SHEAR AS ANALYZED BY THE SHIPS MODEL AND UW-CIMSS. DVORAK  
DATA T-NUMBERS AT 0000 UTC HAD DECREASED TO 2.5 FROM SAB AND 3.0  
FROM TAFB...WHILE FINAL T-NUMBERS AND CI-NUMBERS WERE 3.0 AND  
4.0...REPSECTIVELY. A QUIKSCAT PASS FROM AROUND 2100 UTC DID NOT  
SHOW ANY WINDS HIGHER THAN ABOUT 45 KNOTS. THE INITIAL INTENSITY OF  
50 KNOTS IS BASED ON A BLEND OF THE DVORAK FINAL T- AND CI-NUMBERS  
AND THE QUIKSCAT DATA...ASSUMING THAT RAIN WAS ATTENUATING THE WIND  
SIGNAL SOMEWHAT. WITH THE WIND SHEAR EXPECTED TO CONTINUE...AND  
FRED MOVING OVER MARGINAL SSTS AND INTO A MORE STABLE ENVIRONMENT  
...GRADUAL WEAKENING IS EXPECTED THROUGH THE PERIOD. THE OFFICIAL  
FORECAST HAS BEEN ADJUSTED DOWNWARD FOR THE FIRST 24 HOURS TO  
ACCOUNT FOR THE INITIAL INTENSITY...AND IS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS  
FORECAST AFTER THAT TIME...IN BEST AGREEMENT WITH THE LGEM MODEL.  
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT FRED COULD DISSIPATE BEFORE THE END OF THE  
5-DAY PERIOD...AS INDICATED BY THE SHIPS MODEL.  
 
A 2016 UTC SSMI PASS...A 1941 UTC SSMIS PASS...AND THE QUIKSCAT DATA  
ALL SUGGEST THAT THE LOW-LEVEL CENTER OF FRED IS LOCATED FARTHER  
SOUTHEAST THAN PREVIOUSLY ESTIMATED. THE INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE IS  
VERY SLOW...060/02. A TURN TOWARD THE NORTH AND THE NORTHWEST WITH  
A GRADUAL INCREASE IN FORWARD SPEED IS EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT  
COUPLE OF DAYS AS THE DEEP-LAYER TROUGH OVER THE NORTH ATLANTIC  
BEGINS TO LIFT OUT. BY 72 HOURS...LOW- TO MID-LEVEL RIDGING WILL  
BUILD IN TO THE NORTH OF WHAT IS LEFT OF FRED...AND SHOULD IMPART A  
FASTER MOTION TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST THROUGH THE END OF THE  
PERIOD. THE TRACK MODEL GUIDANCE IS IN GOOD AGREEMENT ON THIS  
SCENARIO...WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE UKMET...WHICH IS A FAR  
SOUTHERN OUTLIER. THE NEW OFFICIAL FORECAST IS ADJUSTED TO THE  
RIGHT OF THE PREVIOUS TRACK DUE TO THE MORE EASTWARD INITIAL  
POSITION...AND IS NEAR OR JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE TVCN MODEL  
CONSENSUS.  
 
THE INITIAL 34-KT AND 50-KT WIND RADII WERE ADJUSTED BASED ON THE  
QUIKSCAT DATA.  
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INITIAL 12/0300Z 18.0N 33.6W 50 KT  
12HR VT 12/1200Z 18.1N 33.5W 40 KT  
24HR VT 13/0000Z 18.4N 33.6W 40 KT  
36HR VT 13/1200Z 19.2N 34.4W 35 KT  
48HR VT 14/0000Z 20.0N 35.9W 30 KT  
72HR VT 15/0000Z 22.0N 40.5W 25 KT...REMNANT LOW  
96HR VT 16/0000Z 23.5N 46.0W 20 KT...REMNANT LOW  
120HR VT 17/0000Z 25.0N 51.5W 20 KT...REMNANT LOW  
 
 
FORECASTER BRENNAN  
 
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