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HURRICANE IDA DISCUSSION NUMBER 18  
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL112009  
900 AM CST SUN NOV 08 2009  
 
THE LAST PASS OF AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT NEAR  
1100 UTC SHOWED A CENTRAL PRESSURE OF 983 MB AND AN ELLIPTICAL EYE.  
SATELLITE IMAGERY AND RADAR DATA FROM CUBA AND MEXICO SINCE THAT  
TIME SUGGEST LITTLE CHANGE HAS OCCURRED IN THE STRUCTURE. BASED ON  
THIS AND SATELLITE INTENSITY ESTIMATES OF 90 AND 77 KT FROM TAFB  
AND SAB...THE INITIAL INTENSITY REMAINS 80 KT. ANALYSES FROM CIMSS  
AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN INDICATE THAT THE HURRICANE IS  
CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING ABOUT 20 KT OF SOUTHWESTERLY VERTICAL WIND  
SHEAR.  
 
THE INITIAL MOTION IS 325/9. IDA REMAINS BETWEEN A MID/UPPER-LEVEL  
TROUGH OVER THE WESTERN GULF MEXICO AND ADJACENT LAND AREAS AND AN  
MID/UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE OVER THE EASTERN GULF OF MEXICO AND THE  
NORTHERN CARIBBEAN SEA. IN ADDITION...A STRONG LOW-LEVEL RIDGE  
COVERS THE NORTHERN GULF OF MEXICO. THE DYNAMICAL MODELS FORECAST  
THE TROUGH AND RIDGE TO MOVE EASTWARD...ALLOWING IDA TO TURN TOWARD  
THE NORTH DURING THE NEXT 36 HR OR SO. THE GFDL...HWRF...GFS...  
ECMWF...AND CANADIAN MODELS ARE NOW FORECASTING A FASTER NORTHWARD  
MOTION...WITH THE CENTER OF IDA REACHING THE NORTHERN GULF COAST IN  
36-48 HR. THE UKMET AND NOGAPS MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW A SLOWER  
FORWARD SPEED. THE NEW FORECAST TRACK IS FASTER THAN THE PREVIOUS  
TRACK THROUGH 48 HR...ALTHOUGH IT IS SLOWER THAN THE GFDL AND ITS  
COLLEAGUES. THE FASTER NORTHWARD MOTION ALSO RESULTS IN A MORE  
NORTHERLY POSITION FOR THE LATER PART OF THE FORECAST TRACK...SO  
THE 72-96 HR POSITIONS HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED NORTHWARD AS WELL.  
 
SOME STRENGTHENING IS POSSIBLE TODAY. AFTER THAT...IDA WILL BE  
MOVING OVER COOLER SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES...INTO A COOLER AIR  
MASS...AND INTO STRONGER SHEAR. THE DYNAMICAL MODELS AGREE THAT  
EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION SHOULD BEGIN BY ABOUT 24 HOURS AND IS  
LIKELY TO BE COMPLETE IN ABOUT 48 HR. HOWEVER...THE INTENSITY  
GUIDANCE FORECASTS HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS THROUGH 48 HR...SO THE  
INTENSITY FORECAST MAINTAINS HURRICANE STRENGTH THROUGH THAT TIME.  
IN THE 72-120 HR TIME FRAME...THE GFS...ECMWF...AND CANADIAN MODELS  
FORECAST A LARGE BAROCLINIC LOW OFF THE U. S. EAST COAST. IT IS  
NOT CLEAR WHETHER THIS IS THE REMAINS OF IDA OR A SECOND LOW THAT  
ABSORBS IDA. AT THIS TIME...THE FORECAST USES THE SCENARIO THAT  
THIS IS A SECOND LOW THAT ABSORBS THE REMAINS OF IDA.  
 
WHILE IT IS LIKELY THAT IDA WILL LOSE TROPICAL CYCLONE  
CHARACTERISTICS BEFORE REACHING THE NORTHERN GULF COAST...IT IS  
POSSIBLE THAT TROPICAL STORM- OR HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS COULD REACH  
PORTIONS OF THE COAST BEFORE EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION IS COMPLETE.  
THUS...A HURRICANE WATCH HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE  
NORTHERN GULF COAST AT THIS TIME. OTHER POTENTIAL HAZARDS  
ASSOCIATED WITH IDA ARE...FOR NOW...BEING HANDLED BY LOCAL NATIONAL  
WEATHER SERVICE OFFICES ALONG THE GULF COAST IN THEIR PRODUCT SUITE  
WITH MARINE AND COASTAL FLOOD WATCHES...WARNINGS...AND ADVISORIES.  
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INITIAL 08/1500Z 21.2N 86.0W 80 KT  
12HR VT 09/0000Z 22.8N 87.1W 85 KT  
24HR VT 09/1200Z 25.6N 88.4W 85 KT  
36HR VT 10/0000Z 28.2N 88.6W 75 KT  
48HR VT 10/1200Z 30.0N 87.8W 65 KT...EXTRATROPICAL  
72HR VT 11/1200Z 30.5N 84.5W 40 KT...EXTRATROPICAL INLAND  
96HR VT 12/1200Z 30.0N 81.0W 30 KT...EXTRATROPICAL  
120HR VT 13/1200Z...ABSORBED BY EXTRATROPICAL LOW  
 
 
FORECASTER BEVEN  
 
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