781  
WTPZ42 KNHC 180239  
TCDEP2  
 
TROPICAL STORM NORMA DISCUSSION NUMBER 2  
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP172023  
900 PM MDT TUE OCT 17 2023  
 
NORMA IS BECOMING BETTER ORGANIZED ON SATELLITE IMAGERY. THERE IS  
A DEVELOPING CENTRAL DENSE OVERCAST WITH VERY COLD CLOUD TOPS, AND  
SOME CONVECTIVE BANDING IS EVIDENT. UPPER-LEVEL OUTFLOW IS FAIRLY  
WELL DEFINED OVER THE WESTERN SEMICIRCLE OF THE CIRCULATION. THE  
CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATE IS SET AT 45 KT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE  
LATEST DVORAK CLASSIFICATIONS FROM TAFB AND SAB.  
 
BASED ON RECENT CENTER FIXES, THE MOTION IS NOW NORTHWESTWARD, OR  
AROUND 305/7 KT. A WEAK MID-LEVEL RIDGE TO THE EAST OF NORMA  
SHOULD MAINTAIN A SLOW NORTHWESTWARD TO NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD TRACK  
FOR THE NEXT 48 TO 72 HOURS. LATER IN THE FORECAST PERIOD, THERE IS  
SIGNIFICANT UNCERTAINTY IN THE TRACK, SINCE THE MODEL GUIDANCE AT 3  
TO 5 DAYS IS NOT IN VERY GOOD AGREEMENT. THE ECMWF AND UKMET SHOW A  
WEAKENING CYCLONE MOVING ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE GUIDANCE  
ENVELOPE WHEREAS THE GFS SHOW A STRONG SYSTEM MOVING MUCH MORE TO  
THE NORTHEAST. THE 4- AND 5-DAY OFFICIAL FORECAST POSITIONS  
ARE CLOSE TO THE SIMPLE AND CORRECTED MODEL CONSENSUS PREDICTIONS.  
HOWEVER THERE IS LOW CONFIDENCE IN THIS FORECAST, GIVEN THE SPREAD  
IN THE MODEL TRACKS.  
 
FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, THE STORM SHOULD BE IN AN ATMOSPHERIC  
AND OCEANIC ENVIRONMENT THAT WILL BE QUITE CONDUCIVE FOR  
STRENGTHENING. THE SHIPS RAPID INTENSIFICATION (RI) INDICES AND  
THE DTOPS PROBABILITIES FOR RI SUGGEST A HIGH LIKELIHOOD FOR  
SIGNIFICANT STRENGTHENING DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS OR SO. THIS IS  
ALSO REFLECTED IN THE NHC INTENSITY FORECAST, WHICH EXPLICITLY  
SHOWS RI IN THE EARLIER PART OF THE PERIOD. IN 3 TO 5 DAYS, HIGHER  
SOUTH-SOUTHWESTERLY VERTICAL WIND SHEAR AND DRIER AIR IS LIKELY TO  
INHIBIT STRENGTHENING. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS NEAR OR ABOVE THE  
INTENSITY MODEL CONSENSUS.  
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INIT 18/0300Z 13.7N 107.8W 45 KT 50 MPH  
12H 18/1200Z 14.4N 108.2W 55 KT 65 MPH  
24H 19/0000Z 15.5N 108.5W 70 KT 80 MPH  
36H 19/1200Z 16.5N 108.6W 85 KT 100 MPH  
48H 20/0000Z 17.3N 108.8W 90 KT 105 MPH  
60H 20/1200Z 18.2N 109.2W 95 KT 110 MPH  
72H 21/0000Z 19.2N 109.6W 95 KT 110 MPH  
96H 22/0000Z 21.3N 110.2W 90 KT 105 MPH  
120H 23/0000Z 22.5N 109.8W 85 KT 100 MPH  
 

 
FORECASTER PASCH  
 
 
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