163  
WTPZ42 KNHC 192053  
TCDEP2  
 
HURRICANE NORMA DISCUSSION NUMBER 9  
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP172023  
300 PM MDT THU OCT 19 2023  
 
THE SATELLITE PRESENTATION OF NORMA HAS DETERIORATED SINCE THE LAST  
ADVISORY. THE EYE HAS BECOME LESS DEFINED, AND THE INNER CORE  
CONVECTION HAS BECOME MORE ASYMMETRIC. THE AIR FORCE RESERVE  
HURRICANE HUNTERS THAT INVESTIGATED NORMA REPORTED THAT THE EYEWALL  
WAS OPEN TO THE SOUTHEAST DURING THEIR FINAL PASS THROUGH THE  
CENTER. STILL, THE AIRCRAFT DATA CONFIRM THAT NORMA IS A MAJOR  
HURRICANE. THE HURRICANE HUNTERS REPORTED PEAK 700-MB FLIGHT-LEVEL  
WINDS OF 111 KT, WITH SFMR RETRIEVALS AS HIGH AS 102 KT. THE MINIMUM  
PRESSURE FROM A RECENT CENTER DROPSONDE WAS 945 MB WITH 12-KT WINDS.  
THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS LOWERED TO 110 KT FOR THIS ADVISORY, WHICH  
COULD BE A BIT GENEROUS BASED ON THE RECENT AIRCRAFT DATA.  
 
BASED ON RECENT SATELLITE TRENDS, IT IS LIKELY THAT NORMA HAS  
REACHED ITS PEAK INTENSITY. AN INCREASE IN SOUTHERLY SHEAR WILL  
LIKELY CAUSE NORMA TO BECOME MORE VERTICALLY TILTED DURING THE NEXT  
COUPLE OF DAYS, WHILE THE HURRICANE MOVES INTO A DRIER AND MORE  
STABLE ENVIRONMENT AS DIAGNOSED FROM THE SHIPS GUIDANCE. THEREFORE,  
WEAKENING IS FORECAST BEGINNING TONIGHT AND CONTINUING THROUGH THE  
WEEKEND AND INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK. STILL, NORMA IS FORECAST TO BE A  
HURRICANE WHEN IT MOVES NEAR OR OVER THE SOUTHERN TIP OF THE BAJA  
CALIFORNIA PENINSULA, AND THE GOVERNMENT OF MEXICO HAS ISSUED A  
HURRICANE WARNING FOR THIS AREA BASED ON THE INCREASED RISK OF  
HURRICANE CONDITIONS.  
 
THE EYE OF NORMA HAS WOBBLED SOME TODAY, BUT THE LONG-TERM MOTION  
REMAINS NORTHWARD (350/5 KT). A TURN TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHWEST IS  
EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS WHILE NORMA APPROACHES THE  
SOUTHERN TIP OF THE BAJA CALIFORNIA PENINSULA. THERE ARE STILL SPEED  
DIFFERENCES IN THE VARIOUS GLOBAL AND REGIONAL MODELS, LIKELY  
RELATED TO DIFFERENCES IN THE STEERING FLOW BASED ON THE VERTICAL  
DEPTH OF THE CYCLONE. THE GFS AND REGIONAL MODELS SUGGEST NORMA WILL  
REMAIN A DEEPER CYCLONE AND MOVE TOWARD THE WEST COAST OF MAINLAND  
MEXICO IN 48-72 H. THE 12Z ECMWF, CANADIAN, AND UKMET RUNS SHOW  
NORMA MAKING IT FARTHER NORTH THAN PREVIOUS RUNS, BUT STILL STALLING  
NEAR THE SOUTHERN TIP OF BAJA BEFORE MOVING INLAND OVER WESTERN  
MEXICO EARLY NEXT WEEK. THE UPDATED NHC TRACK FORECAST HAS BEEN  
NUDGED WESTWARD AND IS FASTER THIS CYCLE, WHICH GENERALLY KEEPS IT  
BETWEEN THE HCCA AND TVCE AIDS. THIS UPDATE SHOWS NORMA INLAND BY 96  
H AND DISSIPATED OVER WESTERN MEXICO BY DAY 5, BUT THIS COULD OCCUR  
SOONER THAN FORECAST IF THE GFS AND REGIONAL HURRICANE MODELS ARE  
CORRECT. INTERESTS IN WESTERN MEXICO SHOULD MONITOR THE LATEST  
FORECAST UPDATES, AS FUTURE TRACK AND/OR SPEED ADJUSTMENTS COULD BE  
REQUIRED.  
 
 
KEY MESSAGES:  
 
1. A HURRICANE WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR THE FAR SOUTHERN PORTION OF  
THE BAJA CALIFORNIA PENINSULA, WHERE NORMA IS EXPECTED TO BRING  
HURRICANE CONDITIONS ON SATURDAY WHEN IT PASSES NEAR OR OVER THE  
AREA.  
 
2. HEAVY RAINS FROM NORMA WILL BEGIN TO IMPACT THE FAR SOUTHERN  
PORTIONS OF CALIFORNIA BAJA SUR ON LATE FRIDAY, CONTINUING THROUGH  
SUNDAY. THIS RAINFALL MAY PRODUCE FLASH AND URBAN FLOODING, ALONG  
WITH POSSIBLE MUDSLIDES IN AREAS OF HIGHER TERRAIN.  
 
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INIT 19/2100Z 17.5N 108.0W 110 KT 125 MPH  
12H 20/0600Z 18.5N 108.5W 105 KT 120 MPH  
24H 20/1800Z 19.8N 109.1W 95 KT 110 MPH  
36H 21/0600Z 21.2N 109.6W 80 KT 90 MPH  
48H 21/1800Z 22.5N 109.7W 70 KT 80 MPH  
60H 22/0600Z 23.6N 109.4W 60 KT 70 MPH  
72H 22/1800Z 24.2N 108.9W 50 KT 60 MPH  
96H 23/1800Z 25.0N 107.5W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND  
120H 24/1800Z...DISSIPATED  
 

 
FORECASTER REINHART  
 
 
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