877  
WTPZ42 KNHC 220843  
TCDEP2  
 
TROPICAL STORM NORMA DISCUSSION NUMBER 19  
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP172023  
300 AM MDT SUN OCT 22 2023  
 
CONVECTIVE BURSTS HAVE REDEVELOPED OVER THE NORTHEASTERN POTION OF  
NORMA'S CIRCULATION, BUT THE CENTER REMAINS EXPOSED DUE TO STRONG  
SOUTHWESTERLY SHEAR. OVERNIGHT SHORTWAVE INFRARED SATELLITE  
IMAGERY AND A COUPLE OF FORTUITOUS ASCAT OVERPASS SHOWED THAT  
THE CENTER OF NORMA EXITED THE EAST COAST OF THE BAJA CALIFORNIA  
PENINSULA A LITTLE FARTHER NORTH THAN PREVIOUSLY ESTIMATED.  
THEREFORE, THE INITIAL POSITION FOR THIS ADVISORY HAS BEEN ADJUSTED  
NORTHWARD ACCORDINGLY. PEAK WINDS IN THE SCATTEROMETER PASSES WERE  
AROUND 45 KT, BUT OWING TO THAT INSTRUMENT'S TYPICAL LOW BIAS THE  
INITIAL INTENSITY HAS ONLY BEEN LOWERED TO 50 KT.  
 
SINCE MOST OF THE NORMA'S CIRCULATION IS FORECAST TO REMAIN OVER  
THE GULF OF CALIFORNIA WATERS TODAY, LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS  
EXPECTED IN THE SHORT TERM. ONCE NORMA MOVES INLAND OVER MAINLAND  
MEXICO, RAPID WEAKENING AND DISSIPATION OVER THE HIGH TERRAIN IS  
EXPECTED.  
 
THE INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE IS NORTH-NORTHEASTWARD OR 25 DEGREES AT  
6 KT. MOST OF THE DYNAMICAL MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES THAT NORMA WILL  
TURN NORTHEAST, AND THEN EAST-NORTHEAST DURING THE NEXT 12 TO 24  
HOURS, AND THE OFFICIAL FORECAST FOLLOWS THIS SCENARIO. THERE IS  
FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT SHORT-TERM SPREAD IN THE GUIDANCE WITH THE GFS  
TAKING THE SYSTEM MORE EASTWARD, WHILE THE HWRF AND ECMWF MODELS  
DEPICTED A MORE NORTHEASTWARD MOTION THROUGH LANDFALL. THE NHC  
TRACK HAS BEEN SHIFTED SIGNIFICANTLY NORTH OF THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY  
DUE TO THE MORE NORTHWARD INITIAL POSITION, AND THE NEW TRACK LIES  
NEAR THE MIDDLE OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT  
ALTHOUGH THERE IS STILL A FAIR AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY ON EXACTLY  
WHERE AND WHEN THE CENTER OF NORMA WILL CROSS THE COAST OF MAINLAND  
MEXICO, GUSTY WINDS AND HEAVY RAINFALL ARE EXPECTED TO SPREAD  
ONSHORE ALONG MUCH OF THE COAST OF THE MEXICAN STATE OF SINALOA  
THROUGH TONIGHT.  
 
KEY MESSAGES:  
 
1. HEAVY RAINS FROM NORMA WILL CONTINUE TO IMPACT SINALOA INTO  
MONDAY. RAINFALL WILL CONTINUE TO DIMINISH ACROSS THE SOUTHERN  
PORTIONS OF BAJA CALIFORNIA SUR EARLY THIS MORNING. THIS RAINFALL  
WILL PRODUCE FLASH AND URBAN FLOODING, ALONG WITH MUDSLIDES IN AREAS  
OF HIGHER TERRAIN.  
 
2. TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON  
WITHIN PORTIONS OF THE TROPICAL STORM WARNING AREA OVER THE SOUTHERN  
BAJA CALIFORNIA PENINSULA.  
 
3. TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO SPREAD ONSHORE ALONG  
PORTIONS OF THE WEST COAST OF MAINLAND MEXICO WITHIN THE TROPICAL  
STORM WARNING AREA THROUGH TONIGHT.  
 
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INIT 22/0900Z 24.5N 109.8W 50 KT 60 MPH  
12H 22/1800Z 25.0N 109.2W 50 KT 60 MPH  
24H 23/0600Z 25.3N 108.5W 45 KT 50 MPH...INLAND  
36H 23/1800Z 25.7N 107.6W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW  
48H 24/0600Z...DISSIPATED  
 

 
FORECASTER BROWN  
 
 
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