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FXUS02 KWBC 161901  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
301 PM EDT WED JUL 16 2008  
 
VALID 12Z SAT JUL 19 2008 - 12Z WED JUL 23 2008  
 
PRELIMINARY UPDATE...  
 
THE DETERMINISTIC GFS IS AGAIN AN OUTLIER AMONG THE BULK OF THE  
00Z GUIDANCE WITH AT LEAST TWO CRITICAL SYNOPTIC SCALE  
SYSTEMS...AND AS SUCH WAS NOT FACTORED INTO THE UPDATED MANUAL  
FRONTS AND PRESSURES FOR DAYS 3 THROUGH 7. THE FIRST SYSTEM IS  
THE TROUGH OVER THE EASTERN PACIFIC...WHICH IS CENTERED FARTHER  
EAST ON THE 00Z GEFS MEAN...ECMWF...AND ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN...AS  
WELL AS THE GEM GLOBAL AND UKMET. THE SECOND SYSTEM IS THE SHORT  
WAVE TROUGH THAT SLIDES THROUGH THE GREAT LAKES...WHICH IS WEAKER  
AND MORE PROGRESSIVE ON THE OTHER RECENT MODELS. THE CONSENSUS OF  
THE OTHER GUIDANCE WITH THE PACIFIC SYSTEM IS TO SHEAR IT  
NORTHEASTWARD MID PERIOD THROUGH THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST...AS  
OPPOSED TO BRINGING IT BODILY INTO THE OREGON COAST WITH VIGOR  
DAYS 6 AND 7 AS PER THE GFS. WITH THE SYSTEM CROSSING THE GREAT  
LAKES...A TENDENCY TOWARD BLOCKING OVER EASTERN CANADA INDICATED  
BY THE MAJORITY OF THE 00Z MODELS WOULD SEND THE IMPULSE ON A MORE  
SUPPRESSED COURSE...WITH MUCH LESS RIDGING AHEAD OF IT OVER THE  
NORTHEAST THAN THE MORE DEVELOPED GFS.  
 
ALL THE MODELS SHOW A MORE OR LESS CLIMATOLOGICAL AXIS OF  
MONSOONAL MOISTURE OVER THE SOUTHWEST...WITH THE RING OF FIRE  
AROUND THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE WRAPPING INTO THE SOUTHEASTERN  
STATES. THE BLEND OF THE ECMWF AND ITS ENSEMBLE MEAN USED FOR THE  
FRONTS AND PRESSURES MAY NOT WORK AS WELL FOR TEMPERATURES OVER  
THE SOUTHWEST...WITH UNDULY SUPPRESSED VALUES THERE LIKELY RELATED  
TO OVERSTATED COVERAGE OF CLOUDS AND RAINFALL WITH THE MONSOON IN  
THOSE SCHEMES.  
 
FINAL...  
 
UNFORTUNATELY...THE 12Z DETERMINISTIC GFS IS STILL OUT OF SYNC  
WITH ITS PEERS FROM THE NEW MODEL CYCLE...AND PERHAPS MOST  
SIGNIFICANTLY...THE LATEST GEFS MEAN. IT STILL INSISTS ON  
SWINGING A RATHER POTENT TROUGH INTO NORTHERN CALIFORNIA...AND  
DOES NOT PHASE THE GREAT LAKES SYSTEM WITH THE BLOCK OVER  
SOUTHEASTERN CANADA...WHICH LEADS TO A FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT  
REGIME OVER THE NORTHEAST AND MID ATLANTIC STATES. STUCK WITH THE  
BLEND USED ON THE UPDATE PACKAGE FOR THE FINAL FRONTS AND  
PRESSURES...WHICH WAS LARGELY SUPPORTED BY THE 12Z GEFS  
MEAN...GEM...UKMET...AND DETERMINISTIC ECMWF.  
 
CISCO  
 
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