658  
FXUS02 KWBC 231808  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
207 PM EDT WED JUL 23 2008  
 
VALID 12Z SAT JUL 26 2008 - 12Z WED JUL 30 2008  
 
MODEL AND ENSEMBLE DETAIL DIFFERENCES APPEAR GREATER THAN  
YESTERDAY BUT IN GENERAL GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO SHOW REASONABLE  
AGREEMENT WITH A PERSISTENT MEAN LONGER WAVE PATTERN INVOLVING A  
NE PACIFIC/NWRN NORTH AMERICAN TROF...A CENTRAL NOAM RIDGE...AND  
AN ERN NOAM TROF ALOFT.  
 
OVERALL...THE DAYS 3-7 FCST CONTINUES TO USE A BLEND APPROACH TO  
DEPICT A CONSENSUS SOLUTION THAT DOWNPLAYS UNCERTAIN DETAILS  
WITHIN A WELL AGREED UPON MEAN PATTERN ALOFT WHOSE FULL ARRAY OF  
SOLUTIONS HAVE BELOW NORMAL SPREAD FOR THIS TYPE OF PATTERN.  
TODAY OUR PROGS HAVE BEEN PRIMARILY DERIVED FROM A NEAR 50-50  
BLEND OF THE 00Z ECMWF AND 00 UTC GEFS MEAN FOR DAYS 3-4 SAT-SUN.  
THEREAFTER FOR DAYS 5-7 MON-NEXT WED...THE 00 UTC ECMWF WAS  
INSTEAD REPLACED WITH THE 00 UTC ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN THAT WAS  
BLENDED 50-50 WITH THE 00 UTC GEFS MEAN TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY  
WITH A SLOWER SRN CANADA/NRN CONUS SURFACE FRONT.  
   
..NWRN THRU N-CENTRAL US  
 
ONE UNCERTAIN ASPECT OF THE FORECAST WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR A  
LARGER SCALE EFFECT ON SENSIBLE WEATHER CONDITIONS IS IF A BUNDLE  
OF SHRTWV ENERGY EJECTING FROM THE NERN PAC TROF WILL CROSS THE  
NRN TIER CONUS/SRN CANADA AND APPROACH THE GRTLKS IN THE DAYS 5-7  
MON-WED TIME FRAME...IN A MANNER SIMILAR TO WHAT IS EXPECTED TO  
OCCUR IN THE SHORT RANGE PERIOD. THE 00Z ECMWF IS THE FASTEST  
SOLUTION AND APPEARS TOO FAST TO BRING ITS ENERGY THRU THE MEAN  
RIDGE. THE 00 UTC GFS/CANADIAN ARE SIMILAR AND SLOWER...BUT THE  
06/12 UTC GFS RUNS ARE TRENDING SOMEWHAT FASTER. THUS FAR THE  
GEFS/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEANS WANT TO MAINTAIN THE CENTRAL NOAM RIDGE  
TO A GREATER EXTENT THAN THE INDIVIDUAL RUNS OF THE  
GFS/EC/CMC...WHICH LEADS TO THE ASSOCIATED NRN TIER CONUS SURFACE  
FRONT BEING NOTICEABLY SLOWER IN THE ENSEMBLE MEANS. MODELS  
HISTORICALLY HAVE SHOWN A BIAS TO BREAK ENERGY TOO ROBUSTLY  
THROUGH RIDGES...ESPECIALLY AT MEDIUM RANGE TIME SCALES. GIVEN  
CONTINUITY THAT HAS MAINTAINED A STRONG RIDGE ALOFT AND SLOWER  
SURFACE FRONT SO FAR...WOULD STILL PREFER TO PRETTY MUCH HOLD ONTO  
THAT IDEA EVEN WITH LATEST GFS TRENDS. HOWEVER...DID OPT TO NUDGE  
THE FRONT A TAD FASTER IN THE FINAL PROGS KEEPING IN MIND GFS  
TRENDS AND ALLOWING FOR A LINGERING POSSIBILITY THAT WEAK ENERGY  
MAY BE ABLE TO PROGRESS ACROSS THE US NRN TIER UNDERNEATH MORE  
BLOCKY CANADIAN FLOW.  
   
..SW US INTO THE S-CENTRAL ROCKIES  
 
GUIDANCE MEANWHILE SHOWS MORE DIFFERENCES REGARDING THE EXTENT TO  
WHICH SOME MID-LEVEL ENERGY FROM HURCN DOLLY MAY SLOWLY LIFT INTO  
THE SOUTHWEST/FOUR CORNERS REGION. THE ECMWF/CMC SUPPORT THIS  
IDEA WHILE THE 00 UTC GFS DIVERTS MOST ENERGY WWD ACROSS NW  
MEXICO. THE 00 UTC GFS DOES GENERATE A SEPARATE BUNDLE OF ENERGY  
OVER THE CENTRAL ROCKIES AND VICINITY AND THE 06 UTC GFS AND  
ESPECIALLY NOW THE 12 UTC GFS HAS CERTAINLY TRENDED TO BRING MORE  
ENERGY UP INTO/ACROSS THE SW...LIKELY TOO QUICKLY. AT LEAST THE  
TREND IF NOT THE TIMING TO BRING MORE ENERGY INTO THE SW US SEEMS  
REASONABLE CONSIDERING THE LARGER SCALE FLOW AND RIDGE  
POSITION/SHAPE ALOFT. THIS ACCORDINGLY SUPPORTS AN INCREASING  
POTENTIAL FOR LOCALLY HEAVY DOWNPOURS WITH DEEPER REMNANT TROPICAL  
MOISTURE.  
   
..ERN US  
 
MOST GUIDANCE DEVELOPS AND REINFORCES AN AMPLIFIED MID-UPPER LEVEL  
TROF OVER THE ERN US THAT ALLOWS A WAVY AND LOCALLY SIGNIFICANT  
CONVECTION FOCUSING FRONT SLIP DEEP AND HOLD SOUTH ACROSS THE  
E-CENTRAL US FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR. I HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT TO GO  
TOO FAR SOUTH WITH THE FRONT...BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE AMPLE  
REINFORCING SUPPORT ALOFT FOR MUCH OF THIS FORECAST PERIOD. IN  
THIS PATTERN...THE 00Z GFS FORECAST WAS DISCOUNTED OVER THE ERN  
HALF OF THE CONUS BY THE LATTER HALF OF THE PERIOD DUE TO A  
SEEMINGLY OVERDONE FEEDBACK ENHANCED WAVE THAT TRACKS THRU THE  
SOUTHEAST AND THEN BECOMES QUITE VIGOROUS OVER THE MID-ATLANTIC  
COAST DUE TO PHASING WITH NRN STREAM ENERGY. THE 06 AND 12 UTC  
GFS RUNS NO LONGER DEVELOP THAT LOW AND THE FINAL PROGS DO NOT  
PLACE LOCAL EMPHASIS ON ANY POTENTIAL FRONTAL WAVE WHOSE  
PREDICTABILITY REMAINS VERY LOW.  
 
RAUSCH/SCHICHTEL  
 
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