321  
FXUS02 KWBC 091808  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
208 PM EDT SAT AUG 09 2008  
 
VALID 12Z TUE AUG 12 2008 - 12Z SAT AUG 16 2008  
 
MODELS AGREE ON THE GENERAL FLOW PATTERN WITH TROUGHING IN THE  
EAST WITH A MID LEVEL WEAKNESS NEAR THE PACIFIC COAST OF THE  
CONTINENT AND RIDGING ACROSS THE ROCKIES. LARGE DAY TO DAY  
DIFFERENCES CONTINUE TO BEEN SEEN AMONGST MOST OF THE  
GUIDANCE...EXCEPT THE 00Z GFS NEAR THE US/CANADIAN BORDER WHICH  
HAS BEEN REMARKABLY CONSISTENT. MODEL GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO  
INDICATE A NEARLY CLOSED VORTEX ACROSS THE NORTHEAST THIRD OF THE  
COUNTRY LATE IN THE PERIOD WHICH MOVES EAST-SOUTHEAST FROM  
SOUTHERN CANADA ACROSS THE UPPER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY. THIS  
REINFORCEMENT OF THE EASTERN TROUGH WOULD MAINTAIN STANDARDIZED  
ANOMALIES OF THE 500 HPA HEIGHT FIELD 2-3.5 STANDARD DEVIATIONS  
BELOW NORMAL...KEEPING TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE EAST..INCLUDING THE  
NORTHEAST/MID ATLC AND SOUTHEAST REGIONS.. QUITE MILD FOR AUGUST.  
WHILE THE GFS AND ECMWF RESEMBLE THE ECMWF AND NCEP/GEFS ENSEMBLE  
MEANS...DETAIL DIFFERENCES REMAIN.  
 
SFC PROGS BASED ON GFS/CMC/ECMWF AND THEIR MEANS THRU DAY 5 ARE  
FAIRLY REASONABLE BUT HAVE ENOUGH DIFFERENCES FOR HPC TO USE A  
DOMINENT BLEND OF ECMWF/GFS ENS MEANS AND TOTALLY GFS/ECMWF MEANS  
FOR DAYS 6 AND 7.  
 
12Z GFS DROPPING SWD ITS SRN CANADIAN/NRN PLAINS CLOSED LOW  
TRENDING TOWARDS ECMWF SOMEWHAT BUT NOT NEARLY AS AGRESSIVE A  
SOLUTION DAYS 6 AND 7. GFS ENS MEAN FROM 12Z STILL LIKE PRIOR  
ECMWF AND GFS MENAS FROM THEIR 00Z RUNS OF AN ERN PAC TROF/ROCKIES  
RIDGING ABND A MEAN TROF FROM THE GREAT LAKES TO ERN TX BY DAY 7  
SAT. HPC FINALS WILL HAVE NO CHANGES FROM EARLIER PRELIMS BASED ON  
CONTINUED OP MODEL DIFFERENCES BUT CONSISTENCY BETWEEN ENS MEAN  
SOLUTIONS  
ADD SOME CONFIDENCE.  
ROTH/ROSENSTEIN  
 
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