154  
FXUS02 KWBC 171855  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
255 PM EDT MON AUG 17 2009  
 
VALID 12Z THU AUG 20 2009 - 12Z MON AUG 24 2009  
 
 
PRELIMINARY UPDATE...  
 
USED THE 00Z/17 ECMWF TO UPDATE THE PRELIMINARY FRONTS AND  
PRESSURES FOR DAYS 3 AND 4...WITH A PROGRESSIVE BLEND TOWARD THE  
00Z/17 EC ENSEMBLE MEAN THEREAFTER. THIS COMBINATION HAS PROVED  
TO BE A SKILLFUL ONE THIS WARM SEASON FOR SURFACE PRESSURES ACROSS  
THE CONTIGUOUS UNITED STATES...SOUTHERN CANADA...AND NORTHERN  
MEXICO. THE GFS AND GEFS MEAN HAVE NOT SCORED AS WELL...WITH POOR  
RUN TO RUN CONTINUITY IN THE DETERMINISTIC GFS FURTHER DIMINISHING  
ITS USEFULNESS. A RECENT EXAMPLE OF THE GFS INSTABILITY IS ITS  
HANDLING OF THE TROPICAL CYCLONES CURRENTLY OVER THE ATLANTIC.  
JUST A FEW DAYS AGO...THE GFS WAS DIRECTING AT LEAST ONE OF THESE  
SYSTEMS INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO AND EASTERN STATES...WITH LITTLE  
EVIDENCE OF THE SIGNIFICANT NORTHERN STREAM TROUGH THE GUIDANCE  
HAS FINALLY CONVERGED UPON CROSSING THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES.  
 
FOR THIS PARTICULAR FORECAST...THE STRENGTH AND TRACK OF THE  
SHORTWAVE THE 00Z/17 ECMWF SENDS ALONG THE CANADIAN BORDER OVER  
THE NORTHERN PLAINS LATE IN THE PERIOD IS PERHAPS THE MOST  
CONTENTIOUS FEATURE. THIS IMPULSE IS NOT CARRIED BY THE OTHER  
DETERMINISTIC MODELS...AND WAS NOT PRESENT IN THE 12Z/16 ECMWF  
RUN. IT WAS...HOWEVER...IN THE 00Z/16 ECMWF SOLUTION. THE 00Z/17  
EC ENSEMBLE MEAN DOWNPLAYS ITS AMPLITUDE...WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL  
AFFORD A ROBUST CORRECTIVE IN THE MANUAL BLEND CHOSEN FOR THIS  
UPDATE PACKAGE.  
 
FINAL...  
 
THE 12Z/17 ECMWF TRENDED TOWARD THE 00Z/17 EC ENSEMBLE MEAN DAYS 5  
THROUGH 7...WITH A MORE POSITIVELY TILTED TROUGH OVER THE MIDWEST  
DAY 5...AND LESS AMPLITUDE WITH THE SHORTWAVE PASSING ALONG THE  
CANADIAN/NORTH DAKOTA BORDER DAY 7. THE INCORPORATION OF A  
SUBSTANTIAL CHUNK OF THE OLD MEAN IN THE UPDATE PACKAGE COVERED  
THESE DIFFERENCES ADEQUATELY...SO MADE NO CHANGES FOR THE FINAL  
ISSUANCE. THE GFS IS STILL NOT ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE TIMING  
AND WAVELENGTH OF THE BIG TROUGH CROSSING THE EAST.  
 
CISCO  
 
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