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FXUS02 KWBC 211756  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
155 PM EDT FRI AUG 21 2009  
 
VALID 12Z MON AUG 24 2009 - 12Z FRI AUG 28 2009  
 
MULTI-DAY MEANS AND ENSEMBLES SHOW THE LONGWAVE PATTERN  
DE-AMPLIFYING AND RETROGRADING IN THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD...WITH  
GENERAL AGREEMENT FOR A WESTERN NORTH AMERICAN RIDGE AND EASTERN  
NORTH AMERICAN TROUGH BY DAY 7. IN TERMS OF THE DETAILS...THE GFS  
IS FASTEST IN LIFTING A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE EASTERN CONUS  
UPPER LOW INTO CANADA DAY 3...AND SLOWEST TO PROGRESS AN UPPER LOW  
THROUGH WESTERN CANADA...BOTH OF WHICH HAVE THE LEAST  
DETERMINISTIC AND ENSEMBLE SUPPORT. THUS...WILL BEGIN THE  
PRESSURES/FRONTS WITH A BLEND OF THE ECMWF/CANADIAN DAYS  
3/4...WHICH IS NEAR THE CONSENSUS. SOLUTION SPREAD INCREASES  
NOTICEABLY BY DAY 5...ESPECIALLY ACROSS ALASKA/NORTHEAST PACIFIC  
WHERE THE OPERATIONAL ECMWF LIES NEAR THE DEEP EDGE OF THE  
GUIDANCE ENVELOPE WITH AMPLIFICATION OF A SIGNIFICANT SHORTWAVE  
TROUGH...INCLUDING CONSIDERABLE RUN-TO-RUN VARIABILITY...AND SO  
CONFIDENCE IN ITS SOLUTION IS LOW. RATHER...PREFER 1/3 EACH  
ECMWF/CANADIAN/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN STARTING DAY 5 TO LESSEN THE  
AMPLITUDE OF THE OPERATIONAL ECMWF WHILE EMPHASIZING THE  
RELATIVELY AGREEING CANADIAN AND ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN...BEFORE  
TRANSITIONING TOWARD A 2/3 ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN TO 1/3 CANADIAN  
BLEND FOR DAYS 6/7.  
 
UPDATED MORNING HPC PRELIMS INCORPORATE MORE OF THE ENS MEANS OF  
BOTH GFS AND ECMWF AND A COMBINATION LAGGED AVERAGE FORECAST OF  
GFS AND ECMWF. THIS SETTLES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OP 00Z GFS AND  
ECMWF OVER THE PAC NORTHWEST BY DAY 7 WHILE LEAVING AN AGREED UPON  
PATTERN OF A MEAN NERN PAC TROF/DOWNSTREAM NRN CONUS/CANADIAN  
ROCKIES RIDGING AND RIDGING PERSISTING OVER SWRN CONUS AND A MEAN  
ERN CONUS TROF WITH ITS AXIS ALONG 80W.  
 
12Z GFS CONTS TO BE CLOSER TO ITS 00Z RUN OVER THE NERN PAC WITH  
ITS CLOSER IN GLFAK LOW AND DRIVING THE DOWNSTREAM RIDGE EWD TO  
NEAR 100W-105W WHILE 00Z CMC/ECMWF AND 00Z ENS MEANS OF BOTH ECMWF  
AND GFS KEEP RIDGING ALONG 110W AND AGREE ON A DOWNSTREAM TROF  
AXIS NEAR 80W BY DAYS 6 AND 7. NO CHANGES TO AFTN FINALS FROM  
MORNING PRELIMS.  
 
MONSOONAL CONDITIONS WILL CONTINUE OVER THE SOUTHWEST AND SRN  
ROCKIES AT LEAST THRU MID WEEK WHILE SOME LIGHTER SHOWERS WILL BE  
ASSOCIATED WITH COLD FRONT DROPPING SWD THRU THE PLAINS  
TUES-THURS. POTENTIAL FOR SOME STRONGER CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY IN THE  
CENTRAL PLAINS MID WEEK ALONG THE SRN EDGE OF THE WESTERLIES.  
POSSIBLE GULF COAST SHOWERS AND STRONGER CONVECTION MAY BE  
TRIGGERED BY A POTENTIAL RESIDUAL MID LEVEL LOW THAT MAY BREAK OFF  
FROM THE MEAN ERN CONUS TROF WED-THURS.  
 
EWD A TROPICAL WAVE CURRENTLY SW OF THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS MAY  
APPROACH THE BAHAMAS THURSDAY WITH SHOWERS POSSIBLY REACHING FL BY  
FRIDAY. CMC CONTS TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH THIS WAVE WHILE 00Z  
ECMWF ENSEMBLES SHOW A STRONG CLUSTERING OF LOWS IN THIS REGION  
LATE WEEK. CHI VERTICAL VELOCITY POTENTIAL ANOMALY CHARTS STRONGLY  
FAVOR THE TROPICAL EPAC FOR DEVELOPMENT THIS PERIOD WITH SOME  
LESSER BUT STILL FAVORABLE CONDITIONS OVER THE CARRIBEAN/GLFMEX  
AND BAHAMAS REGION. LATEST 12Z UKMET/CMC MAINTAIN CONTINUITY  
INDICATING A TROPICAL WAVE OR GREATER WILL BE IN THIS REGION LATE  
NEXT WEEK. SFC POSITIONS DEPICTED BY DAILY HPC/TPC COORDINATION.  
 
JAMES/ROSENSTEIN  

 
 
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