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FXUS02 KWBC 231841  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
241 PM EDT SUN AUG 23 2009  
 
VALID 12Z WED AUG 26 2009 - 12Z SUN AUG 30 2009  
 
THE MODELS AND ENSEMBLES BUILD A DEEP MID-UPPER LEVEL TROUGH OVER  
THE NERN PAC AND GULF OF AK OVER THE UPCOMING WEEK THAT SHOULD  
FORCE CURRENT DOWNSTREAM MID-CONTINENT RIDGING TO RETROGRADE BACK  
OVER WRN NORTH AMERICA BY LATE WEEK. THIS LEADS TO SEVERAL  
SIGNIFICANT GUIDANCE DIFFERENCES BY DAYS 5-7 WITH RESPECT TO THE  
EXTENT THAT PACIFIC SYSTEM ENERGY PENETRATES OR ROUNDS THE  
BUIDLING WRN NOAM RIDGE PRIOR TO DIGGING INTO A DOWNSTREAM  
MID-UPPER LEVEL EAST-CENTRAL NOAM TROUGH POSITION.  
 
ONE SUCH MODEL DIFFERENCE INVOLVES A MID-UPPER LEVEL TROUGH OVER  
WRN CANADA DAY 3/WED AND THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE TROUGH DIGS AFTER  
IT CRESTS THE MID-UPPER LEVEL RIDGE AXIS. THE 00 UTC ECMWF DIGS  
THE TROUGH MORE OVER ROBUSTLY INTO THE EAST-CENTRAL US MORE THAN  
MOST OTHER GUIDANCE BY DAYS 5-7. WHILE THIS STRONGER SOLUTION  
APPEARS ATTAINABLE CONSIDERING THE AMPLITUDE OF THE RETROGRADING  
UPSTREAM MID-UPPER LEVEL RIDGE IN MOST GUIDANCE...IT MAY BE WISE  
AMID UNCERTAINTY TO SCALE BACK AMPLITUDE A BIT BY INCORPORATING  
SUPPORTIVE BUT SOMEWHAT LESS AMPLIFIED ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE.  
 
MEANWHILE...THE 00/06/12 UTC GFS RUNS OFFER A MUCH WEAKER  
MID-UPPER LEVEL TROUGH OVER THE GREAT LAKES AND DOWN ACROSS THE  
EAST-CENTRAL US LATE WEEK INTO NEXT WEEKEND...IN STEP WITH  
REMAINING A STRONG OUTLIER OVER THE NORTHERN PLAINS BY DAY 6 WITH  
A KICKER SHORTWAVE TROUGH THAT PENETRATES THE BUILDING WRN NOAM  
MID-UPPER LEVEL RIDGE BY DAYS 4/5. THIS SEEMS A LESS LIKELY  
SCENARIO CONSIDERING LIKELY WRN NOAM RIDGE STRENGTH IN MOST  
GUIDANCE. THE EAST-CENTRAL NOAM SOLUTION IS ALSO IN BETWEEN  
LATEST 12 UTC UKMET AND 12 UTC CANADIAN GUIDANCE AND GENERALLY IN  
LINE WITH 12 UTC GFS ENSEMBLES AND THE 12 UTC ECMWF.  
HOWEVER...THIS LATEST 12 UTC ECMWF RUN DOES NOT SEEM PLAUSIBLE  
OVER THE NWRN US HEADING THROUGH NEXT WEEKEND WITH INLAND CLOSED  
LOW DEVELOPMENT ALOFT THAT SEEMS EXCESSIVE IN A MEAN RIDGE  
POSITION.  
 
THUS...THE HPC PRESSURES/FRONTS AND 500 MB PROGS REMAIN PRIMARILY  
DERIVED FROM A BLEND OF THE 00 UTC GFS/ECMWF DAY 4 INTO 5...BEFORE  
ABANDONING THE GFS IN FAVOR OF A MORE 50/50 PERCENT BLEND OF THE  
00 UTC ECMWF AND 00 UTC GFS ENSEMBLE MEAN BY NEXT WEEKEND.  
 
JAMES/SCHICHTEL  
 

 
 
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