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FXUS02 KWBC 311905  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
305 PM EDT MON AUG 31 2009  
 
VALID 12Z THU SEP 03 2009 - 12Z MON SEP 07 2009  
 
THE APEX OF THE RIDGE ACROSS NORTHWEST CANADA EARLY IN THE PERIOD  
AND A QUASI-ZONAL FLOW ACROSS THE MID-LATITUDES OF THE PACIFIC SET  
THE STAGE FOR A PAIR OF SYSTEMS TO MOVE ASHORE NORTH AMERICA NEAR  
THE WESTERN US/CANADIAN BORDER. THE MODELS GENERALLY AGREE ON  
THIS SCENARIO. OUT EAST...PARTICULARLY ACROSS THE  
NORTHEAST...DIFFERENCES SHOW UP IN THE GUIDANCE AS THE 00Z ECMWF  
STRAYS FROM THE OTHER DETERMINISTIC AND ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE WITH ITS  
RIDGING ACROSS NEW ENGLAND EARLY NEXT WEEK. THE 00Z ECMWF IS ALSO  
OUT OF TOLERANCE WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE GUIDANCE NEAR ALASKA.  
WHILE THE 12Z ECMWF IMPROVES THE SITUATION OVER THE NORTHEAST...IT  
BECOMES QUITE THE OUTLIER OUT WEST NEXT MONDAY...SIMILAR TO THE  
30/12Z GFS BUT DELAYED BY ONE DAY. EARLY ON...WHEN THE  
DIFFERENCES ARE MINIMAL...A 00Z ECMWF/00Z CANADIAN SOLUTION WAS  
USED. AFTER SATURDAY MORNING...A 00Z CANADIAN/06Z GFS SOLUTION  
WAS USED TO ACCOUNT FOR THE EXPECTATION OF TROUGHING OVER NEW  
ENGLAND AND ATLANTIC CANADA. THIS PATTERN LOOKS WET FOR THE  
SOUTHWEST...PACIFIC NORTHWEST...MIDWEST...LOWER MISSISSIPPI  
VALLEY...AND THE SOUTHEAST. INCREASING SPREAD OUT WEST LATE IN  
THE PERIOD LOWERS CONFIDENCE...BUT IT DID NOT CHANGE OUR SOLUTION  
FROM THE MORNING CONTINUITY.  
 
SOUTHWEST/CENTRAL ROCKIES...  
AS HURRICANE JIMENA MOVES UP THE BAJA CALIFORNIA PENINSULA...A  
MONSOON SURGE IS EXPECTED TO MOVE UP THE GULF OF CALIFORNIA/SEA OF  
CORTEZ TO ITS EAST...ENHANCING RAINFALL TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE  
SYSTEM ALONG THE COAST OF WESTERN MAINLAND MEXICO BEFORE MOVING  
INTO ARIZONA THURSDAY AFTERNOON/EVENING. THE ECMWF HAS TRENDED  
SERIOUSLY TO THE RIGHT WITH ITS TRACK OVER ITS PAST DAY OF  
RUNS...NOW TAKING ITS MID-LEVEL REMNANT INTO SOUTHERN TEXAS EARLY  
NEXT WEEK RATHER THAN WEST ALONG 20N INTO THE OPEN PACIFIC. THE  
NORTHEAST TREND IN THE NHC GUIDANCE LED TO A ONE DAY ACCELERATION  
OF THE ANTICIPATED ARRIVAL OF THIS MOISTURE FROM THIS TIME  
YESTERDAY. THUNDERSTORMS SHOULD FIRE EACH AFTERNOON AND  
EVENING...WITH THE MOISTURE FEED EXPECTED TO BE DIRECTED INTO THE  
CENTRAL ROCKIES BY THIS WEEKEND. AREAL AVERAGE AMOUNTS OF 0.50  
INCH OR MORE PER DAY OVER AND DOWNWIND OF TOPOGRAPHY IN ARIZONA  
CAN BE EXPECTED FROM THURSDAY INTO THIS WEEKEND...WITH LESSER  
AMOUNTS DOWNSTREAM ALONG THE CONTINENTAL DIVIDE OF THE CENTRAL  
ROCKIES.  
 
WESTERN SUBTROPICAL ATLANTIC...  
THIS MODEL CHOICE DOES NOT EXTEND TO THE TROPICAL DISTURBANCE NEAR  
15.5N 53.5W...WHERE A COMBINATION OF CONTINUITY AND THE 00Z  
MULTI-MODEL ENSEMBLE SPREAD WERE UTILIZED TO RECURVE THE LOW  
OFFSHORE FLORIDA/THE BAHAMAS JUST AHEAD OF THE STATIONARY FRONT  
AND MINIMIZE POSSIBLE ERROR. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT SPREAD BOTH IN  
THE 00Z MULTI-MODEL ENSEMBLE MEMBERS AND THE DETERMINISTIC  
GUIDANCE AS TO WHERE THIS SYSTEM GOES AND HOW STRONG IT WILL  
BE...WITH THE 00Z CANADIAN ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE SPREAD AND  
THE 00Z ECMWF/06Z GFS ON THE WEAK SIDE OF THE SPREAD...MOVING A  
TROPICAL WAVE THROUGH THE FLORIDA STRAITS. HOW MUCH OF A SURFACE  
LOW EXISTS OFFSHORE FLORIDA AND THE BAHAMAS IS QUESTIONABLE LATE  
IN THE PERIOD...AS THE UPPER PATTERN IN THE 00Z ECMWF/06Z GFS/00Z  
CANADIAN BECOMES LESS FAVORABLE NORTH OF 20N LATITUDE AND WEST OF  
60W LONGITUDE. THE CURRENTLY AGREED UPON POINTS ARE SIMILAR TO  
PREVIOUS PROGS AND RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE 12Z ECMWF RUN...WHICH  
FINALLY HAS A SURFACE LOW TO FOLLOW OVER THE NEXT WEEK.  
 
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