857  
FXUS02 KWBC 101801  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
150 PM EDT THU SEP 10 2009  
 
VALID 12Z SUN SEP 13 2009 - 12Z THU SEP 17 2009  
 
THE GENERAL FLOW PATTERN THIS PERIOD FEATURES TROUGHING OFFSHORE  
THE NORTHWEST AS WELL AS ACROSS THE NORTHEAST...WITH BROAD RIDGING  
ACROSS SOUTHWEST/SOUTH CENTRAL CANADA. THIS BROAD RIDGE HAS BEEN  
THE FORECAST CHALLENGE...ALTERING THE BEHAVIOR OF THE CLOSED  
CYCLONE WHICH IS NOW EXPECTED TO ENCIRCLE ITS CENTER ALONG THE  
CENTRAL US/CANADIAN BORDER OVER THE NEXT FIVE DAYS. TO THE  
SOUTHWEST OF THE UPPER LOW UNDER THE STRONG RIDGING IN WESTERN  
CANADA...A CLOSED CYCLONE IS NOW EXPECTED TO MOVE QUICKER INTO THE  
WEST THAN SEEN PREVIOUSLY AS THE WANDERING US/CANADIAN BORDER  
UPPER CYCLONE HELPS LURE IT MORE QUICKLY UNDER THE RIDGE. WITH  
THE PRESSURES THIS PERIOD...EARLY PRELIMS START WITH A 00Z  
ECMWF/00Z GEFS MEAN SOLUTION BEFORE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS ACROSS THE  
SOUTH AND MIDWEST AS DETAILED BELOW...WHICH ALLOWS US TO SPEED UP  
THE PROGRESSION OF THE SYSTEM INTO THE WEST WHILE STILL  
MAINTAINING REASONABLE CONTINUITY.  
 
TO THE SOUTHEAST OF US/CANADIAN BORDER SYSTEM...A NEW CLOSED  
CYCLONE ACROSS TEXAS IS LURED NORTHEAST...WHICH CAUSES  
CYCLOGENESIS IN THE WESTERN GULF OF MEXICO IN 1-2 DAYS. THIS LOW  
MOVES NORTHEAST AND BECOMES A FRONTAL WAVE AS IT MOVES INTO THE  
MIDWEST/OHIO VALLEY BEFORE TROUGHING ACROSS THE NORTHEAST  
AMPLIFIES AND SHUNTS THE SYSTEM SOUTHEAST/SHEARS IT OUT  
THEREAFTER. EARLY WENT WITH A SOLUTION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 12Z  
MULTI-MODEL ENSEMBLE CLUSTERING WITH THIS LOW...WHICH IS NOW THE  
DOMINANT CYCLONE SINCE THE SYSTEM MOVING AROUND THE CENTRAL  
US/CANADIAN BORDER LOSES MOST OF ITS SURFACE REFLECTION.  
 
UPDATED MORNING PRELIMS INCORPORATE MORE 00Z ECMWF ENS MEAN WITH  
AN EVEN BALANCE OF THE OP 00Z ECMWF AND ITS ENS MEAN. THIS FORCES  
THE EARLIER PRELIM IDEA MENTIOND ABOVE OF A TN VALLEY LOW SWD  
KEEPING IT ALONG THE GLFMEX THIS PERIOD. USE OF ECMWF ENS MEANS  
KEEPS ENOUGH POP SPREAD TO ACCOUNT FOR SFC POSITIONAL UNCERTAINTY.  
 
 
12Z GFS HAS COME AROUND STRONGLY TOWARDS THE ECMWF WITH SHORTWAVE  
COMING INTO CA LATE MON DRIFTING EWD INTO THE SRN ROCKIES AND IS  
NOW MORE SIMILAR TO THE 00Z ECMWF AND BOTH ENS MEANS OF GFS AND  
ECMWF WITH THE PAC TROF MID NEXT WEEK AND RIDGING OVER THE NRN  
U.S. AND CANADIAN ROCKIES. THERE REMAINS A LARGE AMOUNT OF  
UNCERTAINTY IN THE MID LEVEL WEAKNESS AREA  
FROM THE ROCKIES TO THE APPLCHNS BUT AN OVERALL PATTERN  
IMPROVEMENT AND ADDED CONFIDENCE.  
MINOR SFC CHANGES MADE TO PROGS FOR AFTN FINALS.  
ROTH/ROSENSTEIN  

 
 
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