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FXUS02 KWBC 121805  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
205 PM EDT SAT SEP 12 2009  
 
VALID 12Z TUE SEP 15 2009 - 12Z SAT SEP 19 2009  
 
OPERATIONAL AND ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE SHOWS BETTER THAN AVERAGE  
AGREEMENT WITH LARGE SCALE FLOW FOR THE MEDIUM RANGE FCST. DURING  
THE FIRST TWO THIRDS OF THE PERIOD MULTI-DAY MEANS DERIVED FROM  
LATEST AND RECENT SOLNS SHOW A STRONG NEGATIVE HGT ANOMALY CENTER  
OVER THE NERN PACIFIC AND POSITIVE HGT ANOMALY CENTER CLOSE TO THE  
SWRN SHORE OF HUDSON BAY. BY THE D+8 TIME FRAME THERE ARE  
INDICATIONS THAT THE POSITIVE CENTER OVER CANADA MAY WEAKEN  
SOMEWHAT ALONG WITH SOME SWWD ELONGATION OF THE OVERALL AREA OF  
POSITIVE ANOMALIES AS HGTS RISE OVER THE WRN CONUS AND FAST  
PACIFIC FLOW REACHES WRN CANADA.  
 
THE AFOREMENTIONED LARGE SCALE FLOW FAVORS A MEAN TROF OVER ERN  
CANADA AND NERN CONUS. WITHIN THIS FEATURE... LATEST SOLNS APPEAR  
TO DISPLAY SOMEWHAT BETTER AGREEMENT WITH THE SERIES OF TWO  
INDIVIDUAL TROFS EXPECTED DURING THE PERIOD. THE GFS IS ON THE  
FAST EDGE OF GUIDANCE WITH THE FIRST TROF LATE IN THE SHORT RANGE  
PERIOD... IS FAIRLY AGGRESSIVE IN CLOSING OFF ENERGY TO THE E OF  
THE NEW ENGLAND COAST BY DAY 5 EARLY THU... AND IS SLIGHTLY SLOWER  
THAN THE ECMWF/UKMET/CMC WITH THE SECOND TROF CONSISTING OF THE  
COMBINATION OF NRN CANADA FLOW AND INITIAL CLOSED LOW ENERGY OVER  
SRN CANADA. THE GFS TIMING OF THE SECOND TROF IS WITHIN THE 00Z  
GEFS/12Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE SPREAD THOUGH. EXPECT WEAK FLOW OVER MOST  
REMAINING AREAS OF THE CONUS. AS A RESULT EXPECT VERY SLOW  
MOVEMENT OF AN ILL-DEFINED PLAINS/MS VALLEY UPPER LOW AND CNTRL  
GULF COAST SFC LOW... WHILE MODEL CONSENSUS ANTICIPATES ONLY  
GRADUAL SEWD PROGRESS OF A WEAK UPPER LOW OVER THE INTERIOR WEST.  
MODEL/ENSEMBLE CONSENSUS RECOMMENDS LESS NWD ELONGATION OF THE MS  
VALLEY SYSTEM THAN FCST BY THE GFS. FINALLY THERE ARE TYPICAL  
DETAIL DIFFS WITHIN THE FAST FLOW FROM THE PAC INTO WRN CANADA  
LATER IN THE PERIOD BUT OVERALL MODELS AND ENSEMBLES DISPLAY VERY  
GOOD AGREEMENT.  
 
BASED ON GUIDANCE CONSENSUS INDICATING THAT THE 00Z GFS MAY BE ONE  
OF THE LESS LIKELY SOLNS WITH SOME ASPECTS OF THE DAYS 3-7 FCST...  
EARLY PRELIM FRONTS/PRESSURES FOLLOW A BLEND OF 00Z ECMWF/00Z GEFS  
MEAN/12Z ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN SOLNS. DAYS 3-4 TUE-WED GENERALLY  
LEAN CLOSER TO THE OPERATIONAL ECMWF WHILE ITS WEIGHTING IS  
REDUCED TO HALF FOR DAYS 5-7 THU-SAT AS CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFIC  
DETAILS DECREASES.  
 
UPDATED PRELIMS INCORPORATE THE USE OF THE 00Z ECMWF ENS MEANS TO  
AN INCREASING DEGREE THRU THE PERIOD FOR SIMPLIFICATION. THIS  
RESULTS IN A NEARLY TRANSPARENT CHANGE FROM PRIOR PROGS AT THE SFC  
AND ONLY MINOR MID LEVEL CHANGES.  
 
06Z/12Z GFS BOTH BY DAYS 6-7 HOLD WESTWARD THE ERN THIRD OF CONUS  
TROF WITH INCREASED SWRLY MID LEVEL FLOW ALLOWING FOR EJECTION OF  
THE MID LEVEL ENERGY AND A SFC LOW INTO THE UPPER OH VALLEY DAY 6  
AND NEW ENG DAY 7 WITH SOME SUPPORT FROM THE 12Z GFS ENS MEANS.  
THIS GOES AGAINST THE 00Z ECMWF AND ITS ENS MEAN ALONG WITH THE  
00Z CMC AND UKMET RUNS. 12Z UKMET LIFTS THE GULF LOW NWD INTO IL  
BY FRI WELL WESTWARD OF THE GFS SOLUTION. WILL ONLY HAVE SLIGHT  
ADJUSTMENT TO DAY 6 FRI WITH ADDITIONAL AMPLITUDE TO THE SFC  
INVERTED TROF ALLOWING MOISTURE TO POTENTIALLY SPREAD FARTHER NWD  
AHEAD OF THE NEXT COLD FRONT AND HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM COMING SEWD  
OVER NEW ENG DAY 7.  
RAUSCH/ROSENSTEIN  

 
 
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