073  
FXUS02 KWBC 031848  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
248 PM EDT SAT OCT 03 2009  
 
VALID 12Z TUE OCT 06 2009 - 12Z SAT OCT 10 2009  
 
THE MODELS AND ENSEMBLES OFFER SOMEWHAT BETTER LARGER SCALE MEDIUM  
RANGE AGREEMENT OVERALL IN SHOWING AN AMPLIFYING RIDGE EXTENDING  
ALOFT FROM THE NERN PAC TO ERN AK AND WRN CANADA DAYS 4-7. THIS  
SUPPORTS CARVING OF A COOLING MEAN MID-UPPER LEVEL NRN STREAM  
TROUGH DOWNSTREAM OVER W-CENTRAL NOAM. THIS AMPLIFYING NRN STREAM  
INCREASINGLY DOMINATES LOWER 48 FLOW AS EMBEDDED SYSTEMS DIG INTO  
THE W-CENTRAL US AND INTERACT WITH A LEAD MIDWEEK SW US CLOSED  
LOW...WITH THE BULK OF FLOW ENERGIES SUBSEQUENTLY EJECTING OUT  
WITH TIME IN VARIED WAYS FROM THE N-CENTRAL TO NERN US OVER SERN  
US RIDGING.  
 
EMBEDDED SYSTEM PROBLEMS START FROM THE GET-GO ACROSS THE NORTHERN  
PLAINS/GREAT LAKES...WITH THE 00Z GFS OUTPACING THE REMAINDER OF  
THE GUIDANCE WITH THE CYCLONE CROSSING THAT REGION. 00 UTC  
MULTI-MODEL ENSEMBLE SUPPORT AND CONTINUITY SEEM TO BEST FAVOR THE  
DETAILS OF THE 00Z ECMWF SOLUTION INTO WED/THU...BUT PREFER TO  
SMOOTH-IN ABOUT 30% ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE FOR THE ROUGH EDGES.  
THEREAFTER INTO NEXT WEEKEND...MODELS SHOW MORE DISAGREEMENT  
CONCERNING THE EXTENT OF THE TROUGHING ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST AND  
HOW STRONG ENERGY WILL BE CROSSING THROUGH SOUTHERN CANADA. TO  
ACCOUNT FOR THE UNCERTAINTY...SWITCHED THE MODEL PREFERENCE  
INCREASINGLY TOWARD THE 00 UTC ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN AS THE 00Z  
ECMWF DEPARTS FROM THE CONSENSUS. THIS SOLUTION KEEPS GOOD HPC  
CONTINUITY AND BRINGS MORE ROBUST HEIGHT FALLS AND COOLING  
SOUTHWARD INTO THE W-CENTRAL US THAN THE 00 UTC ECMWF...BUT NOT AS  
MUCH AS THE 12 UTC GFS. THE NEW 12 UTC ECMWF HAS TRENDED TOWARD  
THIS TYPE OF SOLUTION.  
 
ROTH/SCHICHTEL  

 
 
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