982  
FXUS02 KWBC 081852  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
251 PM EDT THU OCT 08 2009  
 
VALID 12Z SUN OCT 11 2009 - 12Z THU OCT 15 2009  
 
THE FINAL HPC PRELIMINARY MEDIUM RANGE SURFACE FRONTS/PRESSURES  
AND 500 MB PROGS REMAIN FOR THE MOST PART PRIMARILY DERIVED FROM A  
50-50 BLEND OF THE 00Z ECMWF/UKMET SUN-TUE AND 50-50 00Z ECMWF  
ENSEMBLE MEAN AND 00Z GEFS MEAN BLEND BY NEXT WED/THU...AFTER  
SEEING OVERALL FAVORABLE TRENDS FROM MOST 12 UTC MODEL AND  
ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE.  
 
MODEL RUNS OVER THE PAST 24 HOURS HAVE MADE A FEW CHANGES  
REGARDING THE EVOLUTION OF A DEEP LAYER SHRTWV MOVING EAST ACROSS  
THE OH VALLEY/APPALACHIANS DAY FOUR/EAST COAST DAY 5/TUE...WITH  
LOW PRESSURE FORECAST BY THE 00Z ECMWF/UKMET SLIGHTLY FURTHER WEST  
THAN YESTERDAYS FORECASTS. THE 00Z GFS HAS SURFACE DEVELOPMENT  
MORE OUT FROM THE OH VALLEY IN RESPONSE TO AN INITIALLY CLOSED 700  
MB LOW ON DAY THREE WHICH IS FURTHER SOUTHWEST THAN THE  
ECMWF/UKMET/CANADIAN GLOBAL MODELS/RESPECTIVE NCEP/ECMWF MEANS.  
THE 00 UTC CANADIAN OFFERS A MORE SUPPRESSED SOLUTION. THE 00 UTC  
ECMWF/UKMET ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT AND OFFER BETTER HPC  
CONTINUITY...SO A BLEND OF THESE SOLUTIONS WAS USED FOR THE PRELIM  
PROGS. HOWEVER...PREFER HOWEVER TO BACK-AWAY SLIGHTLY AFTER  
CONSIDERATION OF A COMPOSITE OF 12 UTC MODEL AND ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE  
THAT IS A BIT MORE SUPPRESSED. THE HPC FINAL SOLUTION STILL  
HIGHLIGHTS A POTENT EARLY SEASON SURGE OF COLD HIGH PRESSURE  
SETTLING DOWN ACROSS THE W-CENTRAL THEN ERN US NEXT WEEK.  
 
UPSTREAM...PROBLEMS SEEM TO BEGIN TO DEVELOP IN THE ECMWF AROUND  
00Z TUE...WHEN IT COMES UP WITH A NEW CYCLONE ALONG THE FRONT IN  
THE NORTHEAST PACIFIC NEAR 39N 132W. THIS LOW IS FCST TO  
INTENSIFY...MOVE ONSHORE..PRODUCING A HEAVY TO EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
EVENT IN NORTHERN TO CENTRAL CA. LOW CONFIDENCE EXISTS IN THE  
ECMWF GIVEN ITS BREAK IN CONTINUITY AND GIVEN DIFFERENCES WITH THE  
00Z UKMET/GFS AND GFS/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEANS. VALID 00Z WED THE  
UKMET LOW NEAR 50N 135W MATCHES THE ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN. THE 00Z  
ECMWF STRONGER STORM EVENTUALLY BUILDS A WESTERN CANADA AND THEN  
CENTRAL CANADA MID-UPPER LEVEL RIDGE...SO MAJOR PHASING CHANGES  
FROM THE MEAN AND PRIOR RUN DEVELOPS IN THE 00Z ECMWF OVER  
CANADA/BORDER STATES.  
 
THE 00Z ECMWF SOLUTION IS ALSO OUT OF PHASE WITH TELECONNECTIONS  
FROM THE POSITIVE HEIGHT ANOMALY OVER/JUST NORTH OF AK...WHICH  
CORRELATE WITH LOWER HEIGHTS OVER CENTRAL TO EASTERN CANADA. A  
SIMILAR TELECONNECTION RESULT OCCURRED FROM RUNNING THE NEGATIVE  
HEIGHT ANOMALY OVER THE NORTHERN PACIFIC NEAR 39N 160W.  
CONSEQUENTLY....WITH BETTER AGREEMENT AMONG THE NCEP/ECMWF MEANS  
AND A BETTER MESHING OF THESE SOLUTIONS WITH UPSTREAM  
TELECONNECTIONS...A BLEND OF THESE SOLUTIONS WAS USED FOR DAYS  
6/7.  
 
PETERSEN/SCHICHTEL  
 
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