710  
FXUS02 KWBC 151904  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
304 PM EDT THU OCT 15 2009  
 
VALID 12Z SUN OCT 18 2009 - 12Z THU OCT 22 2009  
 
 
PRELIMINARY UPDATE...  
 
BEGAN WITH THE 00Z/15 ECMWF FOR THE UPDATED PRELIMINARY FRONTS AND  
PRESSURES FOR DAYS 3 THROUGH 7...WITH A SLOW SHIFT TOWARD THE  
00Z/15 EC ENSEMBLE MEAN...SO THAT BY THE END OF THE PERIOD...THE  
MANUAL PROGS ROUGHLY REFLECT ONE THIRD DETERMINISTIC ECMWF AND TWO  
THIRDS EC MEAN. THE 06Z/15 DETERMINISTIC GFS IS MORE SERVICEABLE  
THAN THE 00Z/15 VERSION...PARTICULARLY ALONG THE NORTHEAST  
COAST...WHERE THE LATTER MODEL HERDS THE OCEAN WAVE FARTHER  
OFFSHORE...IN LINE WITH THE OTHER GLOBAL GUIDANCE. THE POSITIVE  
TILT TO THE LONGWAVE TROUGH IS THE MAIN THING PRECLUDING TOO MUCH  
CLOSING OFF OF A MID LEVEL CENTER OVER THIS REGION...BUT EVEN THE  
MODEST ECMWF DEPICTION USED FOR THE MANUAL PRODUCT STILL SWIPES  
THE COASTAL REGIONS WITH RAIN AND SNOW FOR DAY 3 INTO DAY 4.  
 
OVER THE WEST...THE ECMWF...EC MEAN...GEM GLOBAL...AND GEM MEAN  
ALL SHOW A BIG CYCLONE WRAPPING UP OVER THE NORTHEAST  
PACIFIC...WELL NORTHWEST OF THE GFS AND UKMET SOLUTIONS WHICH  
SPLIT THIS ENERGY AND SEND A SMALLER STORM TOWARD THE OREGON  
COAST. THE NEW TWIST IN THIS FORECAST IS WHAT BECOMES OF SOME OF  
THIS PACIFIC ENERGY ONCE IT REACHES THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY  
DAY 7. THE ECMWF...00Z/15 GEFS MEAN...AND GEM MEAN ALL INDICATE A  
MID LEVEL CENTER TRYING TO CLOSE OFF THERE...SO DREW THE SURFACE  
MAP TO INDICATE THE BEGINNINGS OF A SEPARATION IN STREAMS.  
 
FINAL...  
 
THE 12Z/15 GFS CONTINUES TO BE PROBLEMATIC WITH THE HANDLING OF  
THE SYSTEM ALONG THE EAST COAST EARLY IN THE PERIOD. THE UKMET  
DISTINGUISHES ITSELF WITH EAST COAST CYCLOGENESIS CLOSE TO CAPE  
HATTERAS DAY 3...ON THE FAR SOUTHWEST SIDE OF ALL THE OTHER GLOBAL  
GUIDANCE. THE 12Z/15 GEFS MEAN...GEM GLOBAL...AND ECMWF CLUSTER  
WELL WITH THE MANUAL UPDATE PACKAGE...SO MADE NO CHANGES FOR THE  
FINAL ISSUANCE.  
 
CISCO  
 
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