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FXUS02 KWBC 140659  
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EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
259 AM EDT THU SEP 14 2023  
 
VALID 12Z SUN SEP 17 2023 - 12Z THU SEP 21 2023  
 
...HURRICANE LEE FORECAST TO TRACK AWAY FROM NEW ENGLAND AFTER  
EARLY SUNDAY...  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
CONTINUE TO FOLLOW NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER ADVISORIES FOR THE  
LATEST INFORMATION ON HURRICANE LEE, WHOSE EXTRATROPICAL  
REFLECTION SHOULD BE TO THE EAST OF MAINE AS OF EARLY SUNDAY AND  
TRACK AWAY FROM NEW ENGLAND THEREAFTER, LEADING TO A DRIER TREND  
AND LIGHTER WINDS ACROSS THE REGION. BEHIND LEE, AN UPPER TROUGH  
REACHING THE EASTERN U.S. BY SUNDAY-MONDAY WILL GRADUALLY LIFT OUT  
INTO MIDWEEK. THE FRONT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TROUGH MAY PRODUCE  
SOME AREAS OF RAIN WITH VARYING INTENSITY DURING THE WEEKEND INTO  
EARLY NEXT WEEK. A PERSISTENT WAVY FRONT SHOULD MAINTAIN A WET  
PATTERN OVER THE FLORIDA PENINSULA FOR MOST OF THE PERIOD WHILE  
TEXAS AND THE GULF COAST WILL LIKELY TREND DRIER AFTER THE  
WEEKEND. OVER THE WEST, GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO ADVERTISE A  
SIGNIFICANT PATTERN CHANGE AFTER INITIAL RIDGING WEAKENS AND  
PROGRESSES EASTWARD, BUT OVER THE PAST COUPLE DAYS THERE HAS BEEN  
SOME VARIABILITY IN HOW NEXT WEEK'S EXPECTED UPPER TROUGH EVOLVES.  
THIS TROUGH AND LEADING COLD FRONT MAY BRING SOME MOISTURE INTO  
THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND NORTHERN ROCKIES. ABOVE NORMAL  
TEMPERATURES OVER THE INTERIOR NORTHWEST AND NORTHERN HIGH PLAINS  
ON SUNDAY WILL SHIFT EASTWARD ACROSS THE NORTHERN TIER WHILE MOST  
OF THE WEST SEES A PRONOUNCED COOLING TREND.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
LEADING INTO THE START OF THE FORECAST PERIOD EARLY SUNDAY, MODELS  
HAVE BEEN SHOWING SOME MODEST EAST-WEST VARIABILITY FOR THE TRACK  
OF LEE IN RECENT RUNS BUT CURRENTLY THEY CLUSTER WELL IN SHOWING A  
POSITION TO THE EAST OF MAINE AT THAT TIME. LEE WILL THEN  
PROGRESS AWAY FROM NEW ENGLAND DURING THE DAY SUNDAY. FOR THE  
TRAILING UPPER TROUGH REACHING THE EAST BY SUNDAY-MONDAY, RECENT  
MODEL RUNS HAVE GENERALLY TRENDED TOWARD A FAIRLY OPEN DEPICTION  
AS OPPOSED TO SOME EARLIER SOLUTIONS THAT HAD AN EMBEDDED UPPER  
LOW OVER OR JUST NORTH OF THE GREAT LAKES. DETAILS ARE STILL  
SOMEWHAT UNCERTAIN WITH SOME ROOM STILL EXISTING FOR A  
WEAK/TRANSIENT EMBEDDED LOW DEPENDING ON EXACTLY HOW THE SHORTWAVE  
ENERGY EVOLVES. AS THE TROUGH STARTS LIFTING AWAY, THE 12Z CMC  
SHOWED A COMPACT UPPER LOW DROPPING INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST EARLY  
NEXT WEEK. OTHER GUIDANCE DID NOT HAVE THIS FEATURE, SO THE CMC  
WAS EXCLUDED FROM THE FORECAST. THE NEW 00Z CMC HAS AT LEAST  
WEAKENED IT TO A FARTHER NORTH SHORTWAVE BUT IT STILL COMPARES  
POORLY TO OTHER GUIDANCE.  
 
MODELS AND ENSEMBLE MEANS ARE CONSISTENT IN THE GENERAL IDEA OF AN  
UPPER TROUGH AMPLIFYING OVER THE WEST NEXT WEEK BUT THE  
OPERATIONAL MODELS HAVE BEEN VARYING QUITE A BIT FOR THE DETAILS.  
24-36 HOURS AGO THE MODELS WERE SUGGESTING THAT THE TROUGH  
REACHING WESTERN NORTH AMERICA BY MONDAY WOULD BE WHAT ULTIMATELY  
SETTLES OVER THE WEST. HOWEVER RUNS STARTING WITH THE 12Z/13  
CYCLE HEAVE BEEN SHOWING A TRAILING COMPACT SHORTWAVE THAT ENDS UP  
BEING THE FEATURE THAT DIGS INTO THE REGION AS AN UPSTREAM PACIFIC  
RIDGE SHARPENS, ULTIMATELY LEADING TO A FAIRLY DEEP UPPER LOW OVER  
OR NEAR THE NORTHERN GREAT BASIN BY NEXT THURSDAY. GFS/ECMWF/CMC  
RUNS ALL SHOW THIS CLOSED LOW, SO IT SEEMS REASONABLE TO TREND THE  
FORECAST TO THAT GENERAL IDEA BUT FOR NOW IN WEAKER FORM GIVEN THE  
DETAIL INCONSISTENCY OVER RECENT DAYS. TELECONNECTIONS RELATIVE  
TO STRONG POSITIVE HEIGHT ANOMALIES OVER OR NEAR EASTERN HUDSON  
BAY/JAMES BAY BY THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD SUGGEST THAT  
NEGATIVE ANOMALIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE WESTERN TROUGH SHOULD BE  
FAIRLY MODEST. THIS COULD BE ACHIEVED EITHER BY THE UPPER LOW  
BEING WEAKER OR BY BEING DEEP BUT PROGRESSIVE ENOUGH TO YIELD  
MODEST ANOMALIES FROM A MULTI-DAY MEAN PERSPECTIVE.  
 
THE ABOVE CONSIDERATIONS LED TO STARTING THE UPDATED FORECAST WITH  
A COMPOSITE OF THE 12Z ECMWF/UKMET AND 12Z/18Z GFS EARLY IN THE  
PERIOD AND THEN SHIFTING TOWARD 50-60 PERCENT TOTAL INPUT FROM THE  
18Z GEFS/12Z ECENS MEANS BY DAYS 6-7 WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
THE DAYS 4-5 EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOKS COVERING SUNDAY THROUGH  
MONDAY NIGHT SHOW NO RISK AREAS FOR ORGANIZED FLASH FLOOD  
POTENTIAL. THE FLORIDA PENINSULA CONTINUES TO BE ONE REGION THAT  
MERITS MONITORING THOUGH, WITH A FAIRLY WET PATTERN EXPECTED DUE  
TO PERSISTENCE OF A WAVY FRONT. HOWEVER MOISTURE ANOMALIES ARE  
ONLY MODERATELY ABOVE NORMAL, FLASH FLOOD GUIDANCE VALUES ARE  
HIGH, AND MODELS DO NOT SHOW MUCH CLUSTERING FOR ANY RELATIVELY  
HEAVIER RAIN THAT MAY FALL. SHORTER TERM GUIDANCE MAY ULTIMATELY  
HELP TO REFINE ANY AREAS THAT COULD AT LEAST MERIT A MARGINAL  
RISK. ON SUNDAY THERE WILL BE SOME LINGERING MOISTURE AND  
INSTABILITY OVER SOUTHERN TEXAS AND THE GULF COAST REGION BUT NO  
COHERENT SIGNAL FOR HEAVY RAINFALL, WHILE A COLD FRONT PUSHING  
INTO THE APPALACHIANS/SOUTHEAST MAY PRODUCE SOME LOCALLY ENHANCED  
RAINFALL BUT AVAILABLE MOISTURE LOOKS TO BE ONLY NEAR CLIMATOLOGY.  
 
THE FLORIDA PENINSULA SHOULD CONTINUE TO SEE PERIODS OF RAIN  
BEYOND MONDAY DUE TO THE WAVY FRONT, WITH HEAVIER AMOUNTS STILL  
TENDING TO BE LOCALIZED. THE SOUTHEAST COAST MAY BE NEAR THE EDGE  
OF RAINFALL THAT PERSISTS OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC. UPPER  
TROUGHING EXPECTED TO AMPLIFY OVER THE WEST NEXT WEEK MAY BRING  
SOME PRECIPITATION TO AT LEAST THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND NORTHERN  
ROCKIES. DIFFERENCES IN GUIDANCE DETAILS OVER RECENT DAYS TEMPERS  
CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFICS, THOUGH CURRENT SOLUTIONS WOULD SUGGEST  
FAIRLY LIGHT TOTALS IN THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST WITH SOMEWHAT HIGHER  
TOTALS POSSIBLE IN PARTS OF THE ROCKIES. HIGH ELEVATIONS IN THE  
ROCKIES COULD SEE SOME SNOW IF THE UPPER TROUGH AND POSSIBLE  
EMBEDDED LOW ARE DEEP ENOUGH. AHEAD OF THE WESTERN TROUGH/LOW,  
AREAS OF RAIN WILL LIKELY DEVELOP OVER THE PLAINS BY  
TUESDAY-THURSDAY. SOME RAINFALL COULD BE LOCALLY HEAVY BUT IT  
WILL TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME TO DETERMINE WHICH AREAS MAY SEE THE  
RELATIVELY HIGHER TOTALS.  
 
AN AREA OF HIGH TEMPERATURES UP TO 10-15F OR SO ABOVE NORMAL OVER  
THE INTERIOR NORTHWEST INTO THE HIGH PLAINS ON SUNDAY (WITH  
BROADER COVERAGE OF WARM LOWS OVER THE WEST) WILL PROGRESS  
EASTWARD WITH TIME, MODERATING SOME BY THE TIME THIS WARMTH  
REACHES THE UPPER MIDWEST/WESTERN GREAT LAKES BY NEXT  
WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY. THE UPPER TROUGH FORECAST TO AMPLIFY OVER THE  
WEST NEXT WEEK SHOULD PROMOTE A COOLING TREND OVER THE REGION,  
WITH A FAIRLY BROAD AREA OF HIGHS 5-15F BELOW NORMAL BY NEXT  
THURSDAY. OTHERWISE EXPECT MOST TEMPERATURE ANOMALIES TO BE IN  
THE SINGLE DIGITS, INCLUDING THE EAST LEANING A LITTLE BELOW  
NORMAL SUNDAY-MONDAY AND THE SOUTHERN PLAINS/CENTRAL GULF COAST  
TENDING TO BE SLIGHTLY ABOVE NORMAL AFTER SUNDAY.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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