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FXUS02 KWBC 041848  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
248 PM EDT WED OCT 04 2023  
 
VALID 12Z SAT OCT 07 2023 - 12Z WED OCT 11 2023  
 
...HEAVY RAIN AND FLASH FLOODING THREATS LIKELY IN THE NORTHEAST  
SATURDAY DUE IN PART TO PHILIPPE...  
 
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
AN UPPER TROUGH AND LIKELY AN EMBEDDED UPPER LOW ARE FORECAST TO  
SWING SLOWLY THROUGH THE GREAT LAKES REGION AND SOUTH THIS  
WEEKEND. AT THE SURFACE A COLD FRONT WILL SWEEP THROUGH THE  
EASTERN U.S., WHILE AMPLE MOISTURE STREAMS IN AHEAD OF IT, AND THE  
LOW CIRCULATION ASSOCIATED WITH PHILIPPE (WHICH SHOULD BE  
POST-TROPICAL BY THEN) COULD TRACK NEAR OR INTO MAINE. THIS  
COMBINATION WILL LEAD TO HEAVY RAIN AND FLOODING CONCERNS IN THE  
NORTHEAST ON SATURDAY. THEN SOME RAIN COULD LINGER INTO EARLY NEXT  
WEEK UNDERNEATH THE UPPER LOW, WITH LAKE EFFECT ENHANCEMENT  
LIKELY. MEANWHILE AN UPPER RIDGE SHOULD OVERTAKE THE WESTERN U.S.  
FOR WARMER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES AND GENERALLY DRY CONDITIONS  
THROUGH SATURDAY, THOUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK A TROUGH AND FRONTAL  
SYSTEM LOOKS TO PUSH INTO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND FARTHER INTO  
THE INTERIOR WEST AS NEXT WEEK PROGRESSES WITH SOME LOCALLY HEAVY  
RAINFALL POSSIBLE.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
MODEL GUIDANCE HAS REMAINED IN GOOD AGREEMENT ON THE OVERALL  
PATTERN THROUGH MUCH OF THE MEDIUM-RANGE PERIOD (SATURDAY OCT 7 -  
WEDNESDAY OCT 11), BEGINNING WITH A NORTHERN STREAM TROUGH OVER  
SOUTH-CENTRAL CANADA/THE NORTH-CENTRAL U.S. DEEPENING AS IT SHIFTS  
EASTWARD OVER SOUTHEASTERN CANADA AND THE GREAT LAKES/INTERIOR  
NORTHEAST. A CLOSED LOW IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP AND BECOME ANCHORED  
OVER THE REGION FOR SEVERAL DAYS, LIKELY THROUGH AT LEAST THE END  
OF THE CURRENT PERIOD (WEDNESDAY). EMBEDDED SHORTWAVE ENERGY MAY  
PLAY A ROLE IN THE OVERALL GYRE WHICH DIFFERS MODEL TO MODEL, AND  
MAY HAVE RELATED SURFACE WEATHER IMPACTS, BUT AN OVERALL WET AND  
COOLER TREND CAN BE EXPECTED ACROSS THE REGION REGARDLESS.  
HOWEVER, THERE IS ONE NOTABLE SHIFT IN SOME OF THE MORE RECENT  
MODEL RUNS NOTED IN THE PRIOR FORECAST RELATED TO THE TRACK OF  
WHAT IS NOW TROPICAL STORM PHILIPPE. THE GUIDANCE HAS TRENDED  
TOWARDS A TRACK THAT WOULD BRING PHILIPPE INTO MAINE/ATLANTIC  
CANADA, WITH THE POST-TROPICAL ENERGY BEING ABSORBED INTO THE  
ANCHORED CLOSED LOW. THE SMALLER-SCALE NATURE OF THIS FEATURE  
LOWERS PREDICTABILITY AT THIS TIME FRAME, AND THE EVOLUTION OF THE  
SYSTEM APPEARS COMPLEX GIVEN THE LIKELY INTERACTION WITH THE  
SYNOPTIC SYSTEM OVER THE GREAT LAKES/SOUTHEAST CANADA, THOUGH THE  
EXPECTATION FOR A VERY WET SATURDAY IN THE INTERIOR NORTHEAST/NEW  
ENGLAND WILL REMAIN REGARDLESS. REFER TO THE NATIONAL HURRICANE  
CENTER FOR THE LATEST OFFICIAL UPDATED STORM TRACK FOR PHILIPPE.  
 
TO THE WEST, AN UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE OVER THE WESTERN U.S. SHOULD  
SHIFT A BIT EASTWARD, WITH RIDGING AMPLIFYING INTO THE NORTHERN  
PLAINS/SOUTH-CENTRAL CANADA IN RESPONSE TO THE DEEPENING TROUGH TO  
THE EAST. THE 00Z ECMWF AND CMC ARE A BIT MORE AMPLIFIED COMPARED  
TO SOME RECENT RUNS OF THE GFS, THOUGH THE 06/12Z GFS HAVE TRENDED  
MORE IN THIS DIRECTION, WITH THE GEFS MEAN ALSO IN AGREEMENT. THE  
LARGEST SPREAD IN THE GUIDANCE IS RELATED TO UPSTREAM ENERGY OVER  
THE NORTHEASTERN PACIFIC APPROACHING AND ENTERING THE NORTHWEST  
EARLY NEXT WEEK, WITH DIFFERENCES IN THE TIMING, TRACK, AND  
STRENGTH OF THE ENERGY ENTERING THE NORTHWEST BOTH ACROSS THE  
GUIDANCE AND INDIVIDUALLY RUN-TO-RUN. FOR EXAMPLE, THE ECMWF HAS  
WAVERED BACK AND FORTH IN THE LATEST FEW RUNS WITH A STRONGER,  
DEEPER TROUGH DIGGING ALONG THE WEST COAST. THE MOST RECENT 00Z  
RUN TRENDED WEAKER, WHICH IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE OTHER  
DETERMINISTIC AND ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE. THE SPREAD INCREASES INTO  
WEDNESDAY WITH GENERALLY POOR AGREEMENT ON THE ENERGY TRANSLATING  
THROUGH THE WEST, EITHER HANGING BACK OVER THE GREAT BASIN (GFS)  
OR DIGGING OVER THE HIGH PLAINS (ECMWF), WITH THE GEFS AND ECENS  
MEANS EXPECTEDLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GUIDANCE ENVELOPE. ONE FINAL  
POTENTIAL WRINKLE LATE IN THE FORECAST PERIOD IS FOR THE REMNANTS  
OF A TROPICAL SYSTEM OVER THE EASTERN PACIFIC DRIFTING NORTHWARD  
OVER MEXICO INTO THE SOUTHWEST/SOUTH TEXAS, HINTED AT IN SOME RUNS  
OF THE GFS AND THE LATEST 00Z RUN OF THE CMC, WHICH WILL NEED TO  
BE MONITORED OVER THE COMING DAYS IF THIS TREND CONTINUES AND  
PREDICTABILITY INCREASES.  
 
THE UPDATED WPC FORECAST BEGINS WITH A COMPOSITE BLEND OF THE  
DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE (00Z CMC/ECMWF/UKMET AND 06Z GFS) GIVEN  
GOOD OVERALL AGREEMENT EARLY IN THE PERIOD. THE CONTRIBUTION FROM  
THE 00Z CMC IS REDUCED MID-PERIOD GIVEN A MORE AGGRESSIVE  
ASSESSMENT OF THE ENERGY UPSTREAM OVER THE NORTHEASTERN PACIFIC. A  
CONTRIBUTION FROM THE 00Z ECENS AND GEFS MEANS IS STEADILY  
INCREASED TO MORE THAN HALF THE BLEND BY THE END OF THE PERIOD  
GIVEN THE NOTABLE INCREASE IN SPREAD WITH RESPECT TO THE HANDLING  
OF THIS ENERGY OVER THE NORTHEASTERN PACIFIC AFTER IT ENTERS THE  
WEST, OFFERING A COMPROMISE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RESPECTIVE  
SOLUTIONS.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
AS THE UPPER TROUGH AND FORMING EMBEDDED LOW TRACK ACROSS THE  
GREAT LAKES LATE WEEK, ATLANTIC MOISTURE IS LIKELY TO FLOW INTO  
THE NORTHEASTERN U.S., LEADING TO INCREASING RAIN TOTALS  
ESPECIALLY BY SATURDAY ALONG AND AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT.  
INSTABILITY MAY BE SOMEWHAT LIMITED, BUT THE FORCING FOR ASCENT  
WILL BE STRONG WITH THE RIGHT ENTRANCE REGION OF THE JET OVERHEAD,  
AND PRECIPITABLE WATER ANOMALIES ARE FORECAST TO BE AT LEAST ABOVE  
THE 75TH IF NOT THE 90TH PERCENTILE. ADDITIONALLY, THE LOW  
PRESSURE SYSTEM THAT IS CURRENTLY TROPICAL STORM PHILIPPE, BUT IS  
FORECAST TO BE POST-TROPICAL BY THAT TIME PER THE NATIONAL  
HURRICANE CENTER, HAS SHOWN A WESTWARD TREND OVER THE PAST DAY AND  
IS CURRENTLY EXPECTED TO TRACK INTO MAINE OR SURROUNDING AREAS.  
NOT ONLY WOULD THIS BRING THE POTENTIAL FOR RAINFALL ASSOCIATED  
WITH THE SYSTEM DIRECTLY, BUT THE INCREASED MOISTURE ALONG WITH  
THE NOTED OVERLAP OF THE COLD FRONT AND UPPER JET MAY LEAD TO  
LOCALLY ENHANCED RAINFALL IN THE INTERIOR AS PART OF A PREDECESSOR  
RAIN EVENT AHEAD OF THE SYSTEM. UPSLOPE FLOW/TERRAIN ENHANCEMENT  
COULD PLAY A CONTRIBUTING ROLE IN PRODUCING LOCALLY HEAVIER TOTALS  
IN SOME TERRAIN AREAS AS WELL. GIVEN ALL THIS, A SLIGHT RISK  
REMAINS IN PLACE FOR NORTHEASTERN NEW YORK INTO PARTS OF NEW  
ENGLAND FOR DAY 4/SATURDAY, AND IT IS POSSIBLE THIS MAY NEED TO BE  
UPGRADED IN FUTURE OUTLOOKS WITH MORE CONFIDENCE IN THE TRACK OF  
PHILIPPE AND THIS CULMINATION OF SCENARIOS. THE HEAVY RAIN THREAT  
WILL LIKELY BE OVER BY SUNDAY, THOUGH THERE IS A SMALL CHANCE IT  
COULD PERSIST IN MAINE, BUT SHOWERS WILL LINGER FOR PORTIONS OF  
NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND ALONG WITH LAKE EFFECT/ENHANCED SHOWERS FOR  
THE LOWER GREAT LAKES UNDERNEATH THE DEEP UPPER LOW.  
 
ELSEWHERE, MUCH OF THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE DRY THROUGH THE WEEKEND,  
ASIDE FROM SOME LINGERING LIGHT RAIN POSSIBLE IN SOUTH TEXAS AND  
SOME LIMITED SHOWERS IN THE SOUTHWEST. BUT THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST  
SHOULD START TO SEE INCREASING PRECIPITATION CHANCES EARLY NEXT  
WEEK AS A FRONT AND UPPER TROUGH APPROACH, AND PRECIPITATION IS  
FORECAST TO SPREAD EAST WITH TIME INTO THE INTERIOR WEST. LOCALLY  
HEAVY RAINFALL WILL BE POSSIBLE ALONG UPSLOPE AREAS OF THE COASTAL  
MOUNTAIN RANGES, OLYMPICS, AND CASCADES AS THE SYSTEM DRAWS A  
PLUME OF PACIFIC MOISTURE NORTHEASTWARD INTO THE REGION. SOME SNOW  
IS ALSO POSSIBLE IN THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF THE CASCADES AND  
NORTHERN ROCKIES.  
 
COOLER THAN NORMAL TEMPERATURES WILL BE IN PLACE ACROSS THE  
CENTRAL U.S. ON SATURDAY, WITH THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE PLAINS AT  
RISK OF ITS FIRST FROST OR FREEZE OF THE SEASON. THESE BELOW  
AVERAGE TEMPERATURES ARE FORECAST TO SHIFT EAST EARLY NEXT WEEK  
UNDER THE UPPER TROUGH/LOW BEHIND THE COLD FRONT. LOWS AROUND  
10-15F BELOW NORMAL AND HIGHS OF 10-20F BELOW NORMAL ARE LIKELY  
ACROSS THE EAST-CENTRAL U.S. AND REACHING THE EASTERN SEABOARD.  
THESE LOOK TO GRADUALLY MODERATE TOWARDS MIDWEEK, LINGERING  
LONGEST IN VICINITY OF THE LOWER GREAT LAKES/INTERIOR NORTHEAST AS  
THE STUBBORN UPPER-LOW IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN. MEANWHILE, THE  
INITIAL UPPER RIDGE ACROSS THE WEST WILL RAISE TEMPERATURES ALONG  
THE WEST COAST TO 10-15F ABOVE NORMAL ON SATURDAY, WITH SOME  
RECORD WARM LOWS POSSIBLE. THE SHIFT/EXPANSION OF THE RIDGE  
FARTHER EAST SHOULD LEAD TO WARMER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES  
ACROSS THE NORTHERN ROCKIES AND INTO THE HIGH PLAINS EARLY NEXT  
WEEK. BUT THE WEST COAST IS EXPECTED TO FLIP TO BELOW AVERAGE  
ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF HIGHS BY TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY AS THE NEXT  
TROUGH AND LOW APPROACH.  
 
PUTNAM/TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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