089  
FXUS02 KWBC 051830  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
229 PM EDT THU OCT 05 2023  
 
VALID 12Z SUN OCT 08 2023 - 12Z THU OCT 12 2023  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
AS THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD BEGINS SUNDAY, WHAT IS CURRENTLY  
TROPICAL STORM PHILIPPE IS FORECAST TO BE POST-TROPICAL BY THEN,  
AND ITS ENERGY WILL BECOME ABSORBED INTO A REASONABLY DEEP UPPER  
LOW THAT LOOKS TO MEANDER BETWEEN THE GREAT LAKES AND JAMES BAY  
THROUGH MUCH OF THE WEEK. THE HEAVIEST PRECIPITATION FROM THIS  
FEATURE IS PHASING INTO THE SHORT RANGE PERIOD NOW, BUT SOME RAIN  
COULD LINGER INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK UNDERNEATH THE UPPER LOW, WITH  
LAKE EFFECT ENHANCEMENT LIKELY. FARTHER WEST, INITIALLY DRY  
CONDITIONS UNDER AN UPPER RIDGE WILL GIVE WAY TO A TROUGH AND  
FRONTAL SYSTEM, INCREASING PRECIPITATION CHANCES FIRST FOR THE  
PACIFIC NORTHWEST BY MONDAY WITH SOME LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN POSSIBLE,  
AND SPREADING EAST AS NEXT WEEK PROGRESSES.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
MODEL GUIDANCE REMAINS GENERALLY AGREEABLE ON THE OVERALL PATTERN  
THROUGH ESPECIALLY THE FIRST HALF OF THE PERIOD. THERE ARE SOME  
DIFFERENCES IN THE DETAILS OF THE UPPER LOW OVER THE  
NORTHEAST/SOUTHEAST CANADA AND PARTICULARLY WITH EXACT  
INTERACTIONS OF PHILIPPE INTO THIS SYSTEM. THE 00Z UKMET CONTINUED  
TO BE DISPLACED MORE NORTHEAST OF THE CONCENSUS OF THE CENTER OF  
THE LOW BY DAY 5/TUESDAY, BUT THE 12Z RUN (AVAILABLE AFTER  
FORECAST GENERATION TIME) SEEMS TO HAVE ADJUSTED CLOSER TO  
CONSENSUS. THE WPC FORECAST FOR TODAY FAVORED A BLEND OF THE CMC,  
GFS, AND ECMWF FOR THIS SYSTEM.  
 
BY TUESDAY AND BEYOND, SOME GREATER DIFFERENCES ARISE WITH THE  
WESTERN TROUGH. GFS RUNS HAVE BEEN PERSISTENTLY A LITTLE LESS  
AMPLIFIED BUT ALSO QUICKER TO PROGRESS THE TROUGHING EASTWARD THAN  
THE ECMWF AND CMC WHICH DIG IT INTO THE WEST/CENTRAL U.S. MORE.  
ENSEMBLE MEANS GENERALLY FOLLOW THEIR RESPECTIVE DETERMINISTIC  
RUNS, BUT THERE REMAINS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE INDIVIDUAL  
ENSEMBLE MEMBERS. THE 00Z ECMWF MAY BE A LITTLE TOO DEEP AS IT  
FORMS AN EMBEDDED CLOSED UPPER LOW, BUT RECENT CMC RUNS ARE  
TRENDING IN THAT DIRECTION TOO. ALSO SOME UNCERTAINTY LATE IN THE  
FORECAST PERIOD FOR SOUTHERN STREAM ENERGY POSSIBLY ORIGINATING  
FROM AN EASTERN PACIFIC TROPICAL SYSTEM TO TRACK INTO MEXICO AND  
THEN MAYBE SOUTH TEXAS/THE GULF, WHICH COULD MERGE INTO THE LARGER  
PATTERN ENHANCING RAINFALL TOTALS ACROSS THE GULF/GULF  
COAST/FLORIDA AROUND THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. WITH THE GROWING  
DIFFERENCES IN THE DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE THE SECOND HALF OF THE  
PERIOD, INCREASED USAGE OF THE ENSEMBLE MEANS INTO THE BLEND DAYS  
6 AND 7.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
THE EXCESSIVE RAINFALL THREATS IN THE NORTHEAST WILL END BY BY  
SUNDAY AS THE LOWS AND ASSOCIATED FRONTS PIVOT. HOWEVER, SHOWERS  
ARE LIKELY TO LINGER UNDERNEATH THE UPPER LOW THROUGH MUCH OF THE  
WEEK, WITH ENHANCED RAIN AMOUNTS POSSIBLE DOWNWIND OF THE GREAT  
LAKES. A FEW SHOWERS MAY BE POSSIBLE ACROSS THE CENTRAL/NORTHERN  
APPALACHIANS AS WELL WITH UPSLOPE FLOW.  
 
FARTHER WEST, SUNDAY LOOKS TO BE A MOSTLY DRY DAY ACROSS THE CONUS  
ASIDE FROM LIMITED SHOWERS IN THE SOUTHWEST AND THE FLORIDA  
PENINSULA. BY MONDAY THOUGH, TROUGHING AND A COLD FRONT  
APPROACHING AND ENTERING THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST SHOULD LEAD TO  
INCREASING RAIN CHANCES THERE. SOME RELATIVELY HEAVY RAIN RATES  
ARE POSSIBLE DUE TO A MODERATE TO STRONG ATMOSPHERIC RIVER TAKING  
AIM AT THE THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND A COUPLED JET ALOFT PROVIDING  
SUPPORT FOR ASCENT, ALONG WITH PERHAPS SOME INSTABILITY. UPSLOPE  
AREAS OF THE COASTAL MOUNTAIN RANGES, OLYMPICS, AND CASCADES COULD  
SEE HIGHER RAIN TOTALS. BUT RECENT DRY CONDITIONS AND IT BEING  
THIS EARLY IN THE WET SEASON MAY MEAN NOT MANY FLOODING ISSUES  
ARISE FROM THIS RAIN, SO DECIDED AGAINST ANY MARGINAL RISK AREA IN  
THE EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK AT THIS TIME. PRECIPITATION CHANCES  
WILL SPREAD EASTWARD TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY INTO THE ROCKIES AND  
LIKELY INTO THE CENTRAL U.S. WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY, BUT WITH  
UNCERTAINTY IN THE DETAILS. MEANWHILE FRONTS OVER FLORIDA SHOULD  
PROVIDE A FOCUS FOR RAIN AND THUNDERSTORMS, WITH INCREASING HEAVY  
RAIN CHANCES BY MIDWEEK AND EVEN MORE SO IF AIDED BY ANY SORT OF  
TROPICAL MOISTURE.  
 
COOLER THAN NORMAL TEMPERATURES ARE LIKELY EARLY IN THE WEEK  
UNDERNEATH THE UPPER TROUGH IN THE EAST-CENTRAL TO EASTERN U.S.  
THE COOLEST ANOMALIES BY 15-20F LOOK TO FOCUS ACROSS THE GREAT  
LAKES/OHIO VALLEY/CENTRAL APPALACHIANS, WHERE SOME LOCATIONS COULD  
SEE THE FIRST FROST/FREEZE FOR THE SEASON. TEMPERATURES SHOULD  
GRADUALLY MODERATE CLOSER TO NORMAL AS THE WEEK PROGRESSES,  
LASTING THE LONGEST WHERE THE STUBBORN UPPER LOW REMAINS OVERHEAD.  
MEANWHILE, THE WEST WILL SEE ABOVE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES EARLY IN  
THE WEEK, WHICH WILL GET PUSHED INTO THE CENTRAL U.S. THROUGH THE  
WORKWEEK AS THE RIDGE OVERHEAD TRACKS EASTWARD AND GIVES WAY TO  
TROUGHING IN THE WEST THAT FLIPS TEMPERATURES TO BELOW AVERAGE  
(ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF HIGHS) BY TUESDAY-THURSDAY.  
 
SANTORELLI/TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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