538  
FXUS02 KWBC 071851  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
250 PM EDT SAT OCT 07 2023  
 
VALID 12Z TUE OCT 10 2023 - 12Z SAT OCT 14 2023  
 
...INCREASING HEAVY RAIN THREATS FOR THE MIDWEST AND GULF  
COAST/NORTHERN FLORIDA BY MID TO LATE NEXT WEEK...  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
IT REMAINS THE CASE THAT A DEEP UPPER LEVEL LOW IS FORECAST TO  
PARK ITSELF OVER SOUTHEASTERN CANADA AND THE GREAT LAKES AND CHURN  
IN PLACE THROUGH MOST OF NEXT WEEK WITH SOME INDICATIONS IT MAY  
BEGIN TO PUSH EAST LATER IN THE WEEK. A NEARLY STATIONARY SURFACE  
LOW WILL CREATE PRECIPITATION CHANCES NEAR THE GREAT LAKES EARLY  
IN THE WEEK WITH SOME LAKE EFFECT ENHANCEMENT POSSIBLE. OUT WEST,  
A TROUGH WILL MOVE ONSHORE EARLY IN THE WEEK DIVING THROUGH THE  
WEST WITH POSSIBLE CLOSED UPPER LOW DEVELOPMENT OVER THE ROCKIES  
AROUND THURSDAY. THIS FEATURE WILL DRIVE A SURFACE FRONTAL SYSTEM  
EAST ACROSS THE COUNTRY THROUGH THE WEEK. PRECIPITATION CHANCES  
WILL BE GREATEST INTO TUESDAY IN THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST WHERE  
LOCALLY HEAVY DOWNPOURS MAY BE POSSIBLE, THEN PRECIPITATION WILL  
SPREAD INTO THE CENTRAL U.S. MIDWEEK AND TO THE EAST  
COAST/NORTHEAST BY FRIDAY. A FRONTAL BOUNDARY WITH DEEPENED  
TROPICAL MOISTURE LIFTING THROUGH THE GULF AND FLORIDA WILL  
INCREASE PRECIPITATION CHANCES ACROSS FLORIDA/THE GULF COAST THEN  
SOUTHEAST AS WELL BY MID TO LATER IN THE WEEK BEFORE LIFTING UP  
THE EAST COAST.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
MODEL AND ENSEMBLE SOLUTIONS REMAIN OVERALL WELL CLUSTERED WITH  
THE LARGE SCALE PATTERN THROUGH ABOUT THURSDAY AND A GENERAL  
DETERMINISTIC MODEL BLEND WORKED WELL. THERE CONTINUES TO BE A  
TREND TOWARDS A DEFINITIVE CLOSED LOW DEVELOPING OVER THE ROCKIES  
AROUND WEDNESDAY MOVING INTO THE PLAINS/MIDWEST LATE WEEK. LATEST  
MODEL RUNS OFFER ADDITIONAL UNCERTAINTIES WITH WHETHER THIS LOW  
PHASES WITH THE BIGGER LOW OVER SOUTHEAST CANADA OR REMAINS A  
SEPARATE FEATURE. THROUGH THE 00Z/06Z MODEL RUNS, BOTH THE ECMWF  
AND CMC (ALONG WITH THE ECENS MEAN) SUGGEST THESE FEATURES STAY  
SEPARATE AND THE NEW MIDWEST UPPER LOW SIMPLY PUSHES THE SOUTHEAST  
CANADIAN LOW TO THE EAST. THE GFS/GEFS SEEMED ALONE IN SUGGESTING  
A MUCH SLOWER/MORE NORTHWARD PROGRESSION OF THIS LOW, BUT WAS MORE  
CONSISTENT WITH WPC CONTINUITY. GFS WAS ALSO MUCH TOO FAST WITH  
THE SURFACE SYSTEM THROUGH THE EAST COMPARED TO THE BETTER  
CONSENSUS. A BLEND TOWARDS THE ECMWF, CMC, AND ECENS MEAN LATE  
PERIOD BROKE WPC CONTINUITY IN SOME WAYS, BUT THE NEW 12Z GFS  
(AVAILABLE AFTER FORECAST GENERATION TIME) DID COME IN MUCH BETTER  
AGREEMENT WITH THE ECMWF AND CMC WHICH INCREASES CONFIDENCE IN  
THIS SHIFT. ALSO SOME TIMING DIFFERENCES IN THE NEXT TROUGH AS IT  
REACHES THE WEST COAST NEXT FRIDAY-SATURDAY.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
THE THREAT FOR EXCESSIVE RAINFALL IS FORECAST TO REMAIN LOW  
TUESDAY. HOWEVER, MOISTURE WORKING INTO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST  
AHEAD OF AN APPROACHING FRONTAL SYSTEM WILL COMBINE WITH UPPER  
LEVEL DYNAMIC SUPPORT AND TERRAIN UPSLOPE TO ENHANCE RAINFALL FOR  
THE COASTAL MOUNTAIN RANGES, OLYMPICS, AND CASCADES THAT WILL  
LIKELY SEE THE HIGHEST RAINFALL TOTALS. A MARGINAL RISK OF  
EXCESSIVE RAINFALL WAS NOT INTRODUCED AS THE SYSTEM SEEMS  
PROGRESSIVE AND MUCH OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST HAS LINGERING  
DROUGHT CONDITIONS, SO MUCH OF THIS RAINFALL COULD BE MORE  
BENEFICIAL THAN HAZARDOUS. HIGHER ELEVATIONS FROM THE CASCADES  
THROUGH THE NORTHERN ROCKIES WILL SEE SNOW WITH UPPER  
TROUGH/HEIGHT FALL APPROACH AND PASSAGE.  
 
PRECIPITATION CHANCES WILL EXPAND EAST THROUGHOUT THE WEEK AS A  
FRONTAL SYSTEM MOVES ACROSS THE NATION, REACHING THE CENTRAL U.S.  
BY AROUND MIDWEEK. DEEP CYCLOGENESIS AND WRAPPING MOISTURE INTO A  
LEADING WARM FRONT LIFTING THROUGH THE EAST-CENTRAL U.S. WILL  
SHIFT FOCUS FOR POSSIBLY HEAVY RAIN FROM THE CENTRAL PLAINS  
THROUGH THE MIDWEST INTO WEDNESDAY. THE WPC DAY 5 EXCESSIVE  
RAINFALL OUTLOOK (ERO) SHOWS A MARGINAL RISK OVER THE MID-MS  
VALLEY GIVEN RISK FOR TRAINING AND GROWING MODEL AND ENSEMBLE  
SIGNALS. GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THIS HEAVY RAINFALL AREA WILL LIKELY  
EXPAND THURSDAY ACROSS THE MIDWEST WITH CONTINUED SYSTEM  
DEVELOPMENT AND TRACK/INFLOW AND A POSSIBLY HEAVY TO EXCESSIVE  
RAINFALL THREAT. MEANWHILE WELL SOUTH, A SEPARATE WARM FRONT  
LIFTING THROUGH THE GULF OF MEXICO AND THE FLORIDA PENINSULA  
BRINGS A THREAT FOR HEAVY RAINFALL FROM THE CENTRAL GULF COAST TO  
THE SOUTHEAST WEDNESDAY/THURSDAY. THIS MAY BE AIDED BY AN AREA OF  
LOW PRESSURE IN THE GULF OF MEXICO AND POSSIBLE REMNANT TROPICAL  
MOISTURE TO BE MONITORED IN THE COMING DAYS. LATEST MODEL GUIDANCE  
PROMPTED A MARGINAL RISK BEING INTRODUCED BY THE DAY 5/WEDNESDAY  
ERO FROM THE CENTRAL GULF COAST TO THE FLORIDA PENINSULA, WITH  
THIS RISK LIKELY TO CONTINUE INTO THURSDAY AS WELL. THESE TWO MAIN  
SYSTEMS MAY INCREASINGLY INTERACT TO SPREAD ENHANCED RAINFALL AND  
RUNOFF ISSUES POSSIBLE ACROSS THE EAST/NORTHEAST FRIDAY INTO  
SATURDAY, WITH WIDESPREAD ENHANCED BACKSIDE WINDS AND POST-FRONTAL  
FALLING AUTUMN TEMPERATURES.  
 
SANTORELLI/SCHICHTEL  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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