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FXUS02 KWBC 091859  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
258 PM EDT MON OCT 09 2023  
 
VALID 12Z THU OCT 12 2023 - 12Z MON OCT 16 2023  
 
...MID-LATE WEEK EXCESSIVE RAIN THREAT FOR THE MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES  
TO NORTHEAST AS WELL AS THE SOUTHEAST...  
 
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
GUIDANCE STILL OFFERS A STRONG SIGNAL THAT A LEADING CLOSED UPPER  
LOW WILL SHIFT SLOWLY EASTWARD ACROSS EASTERN CANADA LATE WEEK AND  
EASE UNSETTLED CONDITIONS UNDER/AROUND THIS AMPLIFIED FEATURE AWAY  
FROM THE NORTHEAST. MEANWHILE, ANOTHER DYNAMIC UPPER TROUGH/CLOSED  
LOW AND SURFACE LOW/FRONTAL SYSTEM WILL WORK OUT FROM THE WEST TO  
FAVOR ENHANCED MOUNTAIN SNOWS FOR THE NORTHERN/CENTRAL ROCKIES AND  
EVEN INTO THE BLACK HILLS AND PERHAPS THE LOWER ELEVATIONS OF  
NEBRASKA THURSDAY. THIS POTENT AND WELL-ORGANIZED UPPER SYSTEM  
WILL THEN STEADILY TRACK FROM THE PLAINS TO THE NORTHEAST FRIDAY  
THROUGH NEXT WEEKEND. THIS WILL FOSTER ENHANCED PRECIPITATION  
CHANCES TO SPREAD IN EARNEST FROM THE CENTRAL U.S./MIDWEST THROUGH  
THE NORTHEAST AS INFLOW MOISTURE INCREASES AHEAD OF DEEP  
CYCLOGENESIS. TO THE SOUTH, A FRONTAL BOUNDARY ENHANCED WITH  
TROPICAL MOISTURE WILL LIFT THROUGH THE GULF OF MEXICO TO INCREASE  
HEAVY PRECIPITATION CHANCES ACROSS THE CENTRAL GULF COAST AND  
FLORIDA/SOUTHEAST INTO LATER THIS WEEK BEFORE LIFTING OFF THE EAST  
COAST. NEXT UPSTREAM, THE SLOW TRANSLATION OF AN AMPLIFIED AND  
COMPLEX EASTERN PACIFIC UPPER/SURFACE SYSTEM MAY RENEW WET FLOW  
INTO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
AS THE LEADING UPPER LOW LIFTS AWAY FROM THE CONUS, THE MAIN  
CONCERN WILL BE FOR THE NEXT UPPER AND SURFACE LOWS COMING OUT OF  
THE WEST TRACKING EAST THROUGH LATE WEEK/WEEKEND. THERE IS GOOD  
AGREEMENT FOR THIS SYSTEM TO EXIST. GUIDANCE DOES DIFFER IN THE  
DETAILS OF THE PLACEMENT OF THE SURFACE LOW; THESE DIFFERENCES ARE  
SOMEWHAT SMALL IN TERMS OF POSITION BUT CREATE NOTABLE DIFFERENCES  
IN THE QPF. THIS FORECAST CYCLE SLOWED THE SURFACE LOW AND THE  
ASSOCIATED FRONTAL SYSTEM A BIT THROUGH THURSDAY-FRIDAY, WITH THE  
QPF TRACK ALSO SLOWING COMPARED TO CONTINUITY AND THE 13Z NBM  
STARTING POINT, AS IT INCORPORATED THE SLOWER ECMWF AND CMC. THE  
NEWER 12Z MODELS SUPPORT THIS AS WELL, WITH A PRETTY PERSISTENT  
ECMWF LOW POSITION AND THE 12Z GFS/GEFS MEAN LOWS TRENDING WEST A  
BIT THROUGH FRIDAY.  
 
BY THE WEEKEND INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK, THE 00Z CMC DIFFERED IN TERMS  
OF THE EVOLUTION OF THE UPPER LOW (SPLITS IT WITH SOME HELD BACK  
IN THE NORTHERN PLAINS AND SOME MOVING EAST, UNLIKE OTHER  
GUIDANCE), SO IT WAS NOT FAVORED. THE SURFACE LOW ENDS UP WITH  
SOME VARIABILITY IN MODEL/ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE ESPECIALLY AS IT  
SHIFTS INTO THE WESTERN ATLANTIC EARLY NEXT WEEK. THEN FARTHER  
WEST, RIDGING IS LIKELY ACROSS THE INTERIOR WEST UP INTO CENTRAL  
CANADA, WHILE ENERGY MAY ENTER THE NORTHWEST FROM THE EASTERN  
PACIFIC. THE STRENGTH OF THIS ENERGY AND THE ONSHORE FLOW AND  
TROUGHING IT BRINGS IS STILL IN QUESTION, WITH THE GFS LESS  
AMPLIFIED COMPARED TO OTHER GUIDANCE. GIVEN THESE CONSIDERATIONS  
FOR THIS TIMEFRAME, PREFERRED A BLEND OF THE 06Z GFS AND GEFS MEAN  
AND 00Z ECMWF AND EC MEAN.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
DYNAMIC UPPER TROUGH/HEIGHT FALLS AND SURFACE SYSTEM PASSAGE  
ACROSS THE WEST INTO THURSDAY WILL FAVOR A SWATH OF AUTUMN  
MOUNTAIN SNOWS THAT COULD BE HEAVY ACROSS THE NORTHERN/CENTRAL  
ROCKIES, WITH SOME FARTHER EAST INTO THE HIGH PLAINS POSSIBLE.  
MEANWHILE DOWNSTREAM, PRECIPITATION CHANCES WILL EXPAND EAST AS  
THIS MAIN SYSTEM WORKS INCREASINGLY INTO THE CENTRAL U.S. BY LATER  
WEEK. DEEP CYCLOGENESIS AND WRAPPING ANOMALOUS MOISTURE INTO A  
LEADING WARM FRONT LIFTING THROUGH THE EAST-CENTRAL U.S. WILL  
SHIFT FOCUS FOR EMERGING HEAVY RAINS FROM THE NORTH-CENTRAL PLAINS  
THROUGH THE MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES. WHILE LONGER DURATION RAINS AND  
AMBIENT RELATIVELY DRY SOILS MAY PARTIALLY LIMIT IMPACT, THE WPC  
DAY 4/THURSDAY AND DAY 5/FRIDAY EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOKS (EROS)  
SHOW MARGINAL AND SLIGHT RISK AREAS FROM THE NORTH-CENTRAL  
PLAINS/MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES GIVEN POTENTIAL FOR TRAINING AND MODEL  
AND ENSEMBLE SIGNALS FOR SOME HIGHER RAIN TOTALS. RISK AREAS WERE  
NOT CHANGED TOO FUNDAMENTALLY IN THIS UPDATE, BUT ADJUSTED TO SHOW  
THE SLOWER TREND OF THE QPF AXIS. MEANWHILE, A SEPARATE FRONT  
MEANDERING THROUGH THE GULF OF MEXICO AND THE FLORIDA PENINSULA  
COULD BRING A THREAT FOR HEAVY RAINFALL TO THE SOUTHEAST THURSDAY  
INTO FRIDAY. THIS MAY BE AIDED BY AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE IN THE  
GULF OF MEXICO THAT IS NOW BEING MONITORED BY NHC AND POSSIBLE  
EASTERN PACIFIC REMNANT TROPICAL MOISTURE. ERO DAY 4/5 MARGINAL  
RISK AREAS SHIFT OUT FROM THE CENTRAL GULF COAST TO THE SOUTHEAST.  
THE WARM FRONT LIFTING LATE WEEK MAY INCREASE THE AREAL COVERAGE  
OF CONVECTION THERE AS INSTABILITY TREKS FARTHER INLAND. THESE TWO  
MAIN SYSTEMS MAY INCREASINGLY INTERACT TO SOME DEGREE TO SPREAD  
ENHANCED RAINFALL AND RUNOFF ISSUES POSSIBLE ACROSS THE  
EAST/NORTHEAST THIS WEEKEND WITH COASTAL LOW DEVELOPMENT/DEEPENING  
AS A MARITIME RISK. WIDESPREAD ENHANCED WINDS ARE POSSIBLE ON THE  
BACKSIDE OF THE LOW FIRST IN THE PLAINS AND TRACKING EASTWARD INTO  
THE ATLANTIC. THE SYSTEM'S COLD FRONT WILL ALSO SPREAD COOLER THAN  
AVERAGE TEMPERATURES FROM WEST TO EAST ACROSS THE LOWER 48, WITH A  
FIRST FROST/FREEZE OF THE FALL SEASON POSSIBLE IN THE CENTRAL  
PLAINS.  
 
TATE/SCHICHTEL  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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