928  
FXUS02 KWBC 160659  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
258 AM EDT MON OCT 16 2023  
 
VALID 12Z THU OCT 19 2023 - 12Z MON OCT 23 2023  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO SUGGEST THAT A STRONG UPPER RIDGE OVER THE  
WEST AT THE START OF THE FORECAST PERIOD EARLY THURSDAY WILL  
SUPPORT EASTERN U.S. TROUGH AMPLIFICATION AND POTENTIAL FOR  
DEEPENING LOW PRESSURE NEAR THE EAST COAST BY THE WEEKEND.  
HOWEVER IMPORTANT DETAILS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL RELY ON SMALLER  
SCALE AND THUS LOWER PREDICTABILITY SHORTWAVES FEEDING INTO THE  
OVERALL MEAN TROUGH, SO IT WILL TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME TO DETERMINE  
WITH SOME PRECISION WHAT THE ASSOCIATED PRECIPITATION AND WIND  
EFFECTS WILL BE. BEHIND THIS SYSTEM EXPECT THE WESTERN U.S. RIDGE  
TO WEAKEN SOME AND PROGRESS INTO THE PLAINS/MISSISSIPPI VALLEY BY  
THE START OF NEXT WEEK WHILE A PACIFIC TROUGH OF MODERATE DEPTH  
MOVES INTO THE WEST AND BRINGS PRECIPITATION INTO THE PACIFIC  
NORTHWEST AND NORTHERN ROCKIES. THE FORECAST PATTERN WILL FAVOR A  
BROAD AREA OF ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER THE WEST AND INTO THE  
PLAINS LATE THIS WEEK, FOLLOWED BY A COOLER TREND OVER THE WEST AS  
THE UPPER TROUGH ARRIVES. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ABOVE NORMAL  
READINGS OVER NEW ENGLAND LATE THIS WEEK, MOST OF THE EAST SHOULD  
SEE NEAR TO BELOW AVERAGE HIGHS FOR MOST OF THE PERIOD.  
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
WHILE MODELS AND ENSEMBLES HAVE BEEN REFLECTING THE AMPLIFIED  
WESTERN RIDGE/EASTERN TROUGH THEME, THERE ARE STILL SIGNIFICANT  
UNCERTAINTIES WITH HOW THE EASTERN TROUGH ENERGY WILL EVOLVE AND  
AFFECT THE SURFACE EVOLUTION. ALREADY AT THE START OF THE PERIOD,  
THE LATEST GFS/GEFS MEAN RUNS SHOW MORE SOUTHWESTWARD AMPLITUDE OF  
THE INITIAL TROUGH CROSSING THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY/SOUTHERN PLAINS  
VERSUS OTHER GUIDANCE (LEADING TO GREATER SOUTHWESTWARD EXTENT OF  
QPF ON THURSDAY). CONSENSUS SHOWS THE INITIAL COMPACT UPPER LOW  
CROSSING THE MIDWEST EJECTING QUICKLY AS UPSTREAM ENERGY ROUNDING  
THE WESTERN RIDGE DIVES INTO THE MEAN TROUGH. THE PRECISE  
EVOLUTION OF THIS ENERGY AS IT REACHES THE EAST COAST, ALONG WITH  
WHAT INFLUENCE THERE MAY BE BY ANOTHER UPSTREAM SHORTWAVE (WHICH  
COULD PRODUCE A SEPARATE SURFACE WAVE/FRONT), WILL DETERMINE THE  
STRENGTH/TRACK/TIMING OF EAST COAST LOW PRESSURE. ASIDE FROM THE  
PROGRESSIVE 00Z/15 ECMWF RUN, RECENT GFS/ECMWF RUNS HAVE BEEN THE  
MOST CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL IDEA OF A MID-ATLANTIC WAVE  
BECOMING DEEPER AS IT REACHES NEW ENGLAND OR VICINITY BY SUNDAY  
(WHEN AN UPPER LOW SHOULD BE OVER OR NEAR THE REGION). ECMWF MEAN  
RUNS HAVE BEEN HINTING AT THIS THEME TOO, WHILE GEFS MEANS HAVE  
TENDED TO MAINTAIN GREATER DEFINITION OF THE INITIAL INLAND  
SURFACE LOW. THE NEW 00Z GEFS MEAN IS GIVING EQUAL WEIGHT TO A  
COASTAL WAVE THOUGH. EARLIER/SOUTHWARD UPPER LOW FORMATION IN THE  
00Z UKMET LEADS TO STRONGER MID-ATLANTIC LOW PRESSURE, WHILE IN  
CONTRAST THE 00Z CMC OPENS UP ITS SYSTEM TO YIELD A WEAKER AND  
PROGRESSIVE SURFACE LOW. PRIOR CMC RUNS WERE CLOSER TO THE  
GFS-GEFS/ECMWF-ECENS CLUSTER BUT FASTER. FOR THE FAVORED  
DETERMINISTIC FORECAST BASED ON 12Z/18Z GUIDANCE, A COMPROMISE  
AMONG THE 12Z/18Z GFS, 12Z ECMWF, AND 18Z GEFS/12Z ECENS MEANS  
SEEMED TO OFFER THE BEST STARTING POINT. CONFIDENCE REMAINS  
SOMEWHAT BELOW AVERAGE GIVEN THE LOW PREDICTABILITY OF IMPORTANT  
SHORTWAVE DETAILS. FOR THE MOST PART THE UPPER TROUGH ENTERING  
THE WEST LATE IN THE PERIOD HAS BEEN MUCH BETTER BEHAVED THAN THE  
EASTERN SYSTEM. THE MAIN CONSIDERATION WAS TO EXCLUDE THE CMC AS  
ITS LATEST RUNS HAVE BEEN STRAYING TO THE AMPLIFIED SIDE OF THE  
GUIDANCE SPREAD. AN AVERAGE OF REMAINING MODEL AND ENSEMBLE  
GUIDANCE REPRESENTS THIS FEATURE WELL.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO RISK AREAS DEPICTED IN THE DAYS 4-5  
EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOKS THAT COVER THE THURSDAY THROUGH FRIDAY  
NIGHT TIME FRAME. THE FRONT EXTENDING SOUTH/SOUTHWEST FROM GREAT  
LAKES LOW PRESSURE LATE THIS WEEK WILL PRODUCE AREAS OF RAINFALL  
OF VARYING INTENSITY, WITH SOME CONTINUED UNCERTAINTY OVER PRECISE  
COVERAGE AND AMOUNTS. AS OF THURSDAY, MOISTURE AND INSTABILITY DO  
NOT APPEAR SUFFICIENT TO YIELD A MEANINGFUL POTENTIAL FOR INTENSE  
RAIN RATES. BY FRIDAY-FRIDAY NIGHT MOISTURE/INSTABILITY COULD  
INCREASE SOMEWHAT OVER PARTS OF THE MID-ATLANTIC INTO SOUTHERN NEW  
ENGLAND JUST AHEAD OF DEVELOPING LOW PRESSURE, WITH SOME GUIDANCE  
SIGNALS FOR LOCALLY HEAVIER RAINFALL. CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFICS IS  
TOO LOW AT THIS TIME TO DEFINE ANY RISK AREA THOUGH. GOING INTO  
SATURDAY, THE MOST LIKELY FORECAST SCENARIO WOULD HAVE INCREASING  
RAINFALL AND STRENGTHENING WINDS OVER THE NORTHEAST WITH BRISK TO  
STRONG WINDS CONTINUING THROUGH AT LEAST SUNDAY. DEPENDING ON  
SYSTEM EVOLUTION/TRACK, HIGHEST ELEVATIONS COULD SEE A LITTLE  
SNOW. LOWER PREDICTABILITY OF IMPORTANT DETAILS OF UPPER DYNAMICS  
SUPPORTING THIS SYSTEM SUGGEST MORE TIME WILL BE REQUIRED TO  
RESOLVE PRECIPITATION AND WIND EFFECTS. MUCH OF THE WEST WILL BE  
DRY THROUGH LATE THIS WEEK. THE UPPER TROUGH/LEADING SURFACE  
FRONT MOVING INTO THE REGION SHOULD BRING LIGHT TO PERHAPS  
ISOLATED MODERATE RAINFALL TO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST BY THE  
WEEKEND, WITH THIS MOISTURE CONTINUING INTO THE NORTHERN ROCKIES  
BY SUNDAY-MONDAY. SOME OF THE PRECIPITATION COULD FALL AS SNOW AT  
HIGH ELEVATIONS OF THE NORTHERN ROCKIES.  
 
A BROAD AREA OF VERY WARM TEMPERATURES WILL EXTEND ACROSS THE WEST  
INTO THE PLAINS LATE THIS WEEK, FOLLOWED BY A STEADY COOLING TREND  
OVER THE WEST LEADING TO MODESTLY BELOW NORMAL HIGHS BY  
SUNDAY-MONDAY AS THE UPPER TROUGH MOVES IN. THE WARMTH OVER THE  
CENTRAL U.S. WILL ALSO DECREASE IN COVERAGE BY THE START OF NEXT  
WEEK WITH THE NORTHERN PLAINS COOLING TOWARD NORMAL FOR HIGHS.  
WITHIN THE AREA OF ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES, EXPECT MANY  
LOCATIONS TO SEE ONE OR MORE DAYS WITH PLUS 10F OR GREATER  
ANOMALIES, AND BEST POTENTIAL FOR SOME PLUS 15-20F ANOMALIES  
SHOULD BE OVER THE NORTHERN ROCKIES/HIGH PLAINS LATE THIS WEEK.  
SOME DAILY RECORDS FOR HIGHS/WARM LOWS WILL BE POSSIBLE OVER THE  
WEST LATE THIS WEEK AND TEMPERATURES COULD CHALLENGE RECORD HIGHS  
OVER PARTS OF SOUTHERN TEXAS FRIDAY INTO THE WEEKEND. MEANWHILE  
OVER THE EAST, NEW ENGLAND WILL SEE ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES  
THURSDAY INTO SATURDAY BUT THE REST OF THE EASTERN U.S. SHOULD SEE  
A RETURN OF COOLER THAN NORMAL HIGHS FRIDAY ONWARD WITH THE  
AMPLIFIED UPPER TROUGH CROSSING THE REGION.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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