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FXUS02 KWBC 190700  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
259 AM EDT THU OCT 19 2023  
 
VALID 12Z SUN OCT 22 2023 - 12Z THU OCT 26 2023  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
MODELS AND ENSEMBLES HAVE MAINTAINED A FAIRLY AGREEABLE PATTERN  
EVOLUTION OVER THE EAST FROM THIS WEEKEND INTO THE FIRST HALF OF  
NEXT WEEK, WITH STRONG CANADIAN MARITIMES LOW PRESSURE PRODUCING  
GUSTY WINDS AND SOME LINGERING PRECIPITATION OVER THE NORTHEAST ON  
SUNDAY FOLLOWED BY A COOL AND DRIER PATTERN AS THE SUPPORTING  
UPPER TROUGH DEPARTS IN FAVOR OF RIDGING AT THE SURFACE AND ALOFT.  
IN CONTRAST, RECENT GUIDANCE RUNS HAVE BEEN SHOWING INCREASING  
UNCERTAINTY FOR THE EASTERN PACIFIC INTO NORTH AMERICA PATTERN  
FROM ABOUT TUESDAY ONWARD AND THE NEW 00Z MODEL RUNS HAVE RAISED  
THE UNCERTAINTY TO ANOTHER LEVEL. THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO WOULD  
HAVE A MEAN TROUGH DIGGING INTO THE WEST TO BRING A WETTER AND  
COOLER PERIOD TO THE REGION, WITH EXPANDING COVERAGE OF NORTHERN  
ROCKIES/PLAINS SNOW BY MIDWEEK, WHILE MOISTURE FROM HURRICANE  
NORMA IN THE EAST PACIFIC MAY CONTRIBUTE MOISTURE TO A GENERAL  
PATTERN FAVORABLE FOR SOME AREAS OF HEAVY RAINFALL OVER THE  
CENTRAL U.S. BY TUESDAY. ALTERNATIVE POSSIBILITIES INCLUDE A MUCH  
WARMER AND DRIER PATTERN OVER THE WEST AND LESS PRECIPITATION  
COVERAGE OVER THE CENTRAL U.S.  
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF THE RECENT WIDENING SPREAD IN THE GUIDANCE  
FROM THE FAR EASTERN PACIFIC INTO NORTH AMERICA IS THE EVOLUTION  
OF UPPER RIDGING THAT BUILDS INTO ALASKA AND THE PATTERN JUST TO  
THE SOUTH. DURING THE FIRST HALF OF THE WEEK, THE NEW 00Z GFS/CMC  
AND UKMET (THROUGH THE END OF ITS RUN LATE TUESDAY) HAVE SHIFTED  
TOWARD VARYING DEGREES OF ELONGATING SHORTWAVE ENERGY UNDERNEATH  
THE ALASKA RIDGE. THIS ULTIMATELY LEADS TO AN UPPER RIDGE BUILDING  
INTO THE WEST BY DAYS 6-7 WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY WITH BROAD CYCLONIC  
FLOW DOWNSTREAM ACROSS SOUTHERN CANADA AND NORTHERN TIER U.S. ON  
THE OTHER HAND, RECENT CONSENSUS HAS BEEN FOR THE HIGHER LATITUDE  
SHORTWAVE ENERGY TO DROP INTO THE WESTERN U.S. TO FORM A LARGER  
SCALE TROUGH WITH POSSIBLE EMBEDDED UPPER LOW (ALBEIT WITH A FAIR  
AMOUNT OF SPREAD FOR SPECIFICS, INCLUDING SOME EARLIER CMC RUNS  
BEING QUITE AGGRESSIVE WITH THE TROUGH/UPPER LOW). THE NEW 00Z  
ECMWF STILL GOES ALONG WITH THE WESTERN TROUGH, THOUGH IN SLIGHTLY  
LESS AMPLIFIED FORM THAN THE 12Z RUN. THUS FAR THERE HAS BEEN A  
SUFFICIENT MAJORITY OF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS FAVORING THE WESTERN  
TROUGH SOLUTION FOR THE MEANS TO DEPICT THAT IDEA. THIS INCLUDES  
THE NEW 00Z GEFS MEAN THAT ENDS UP VERY CLOSE TO THE 12Z ECMWF  
MEAN BY DAY 7. THAT SAID, 12Z GEFS/ECENS/CMCENS CLUSTERING  
ACTUALLY SHOWED A TOTAL OF ABOUT ONE-THIRD OF MEMBERS GROUPED INTO  
A VARIATION OF THE WESTERN RIDGE PATTERN. MEANWHILE  
TELECONNECTIONS RELATIVE TO THE STRONG CORE OF POSITIVE HEIGHT  
ANOMALIES THAT MOST MODELS/MEANS HAVE BEEN SHOWING OVER THE  
SOUTHERN COAST OF ALASKA IN THE D+8 MULTI-DAY MEANS SUPPORT  
WESTERN U.S. TROUGHING. BASED ON GUIDANCE THROUGH THE 12Z/18Z  
CYCLES AND TELECONNECTION RELATIONS, PREFERENCE SIDED WITH THE  
WESTERN TROUGH SOLUTION THAT REPRESENTS CONTINUITY. AHEAD OF THIS  
MID-LATE PERIOD WESTERN PATTERN ISSUE, SPECIFICS WILL PLAY A ROLE  
IN HOW LONG AN INITIAL TROUGH/UPPER LOW MOVING INTO THE WEST  
LINGERS NEAR THE WESTERN U.S.-MEXICO BORDER. IN GENERAL MORE  
AMPLIFIED UPSTREAM TROUGHING LEADS TO A FASTER EJECTION OF THE  
LEADING FEATURE, THOUGH WITH THE 12Z GFS POSSIBLY BEING TOO FAST.  
PLUS THERE IS A WIDE DISPERSION FOR THE TRACK OF NORMA IN THE  
EASTERN PACIFIC, WITH LATEST GFS RUNS A CONSIDERABLY FAST EXTREME.  
FOR THE SYSTEM AFFECTING THE NORTHEAST, LATEST MODELS HAVE  
GRAVITATED TO A MODERATELY PROGRESSIVE SOLUTION OVER THE CANADIAN  
MARITIMES AS OF THE START OF THE PERIOD EARLY SUNDAY--CLOSEST TO  
WHAT THE ENSEMBLE MEANS HAD BEEN SHOWING IN RECENT RUNS.  
 
THE UPDATED FORECAST, BASED ON INFORMATION FROM THE 12Z/18Z RUNS,  
STARTED WITH A MODEL COMPOSITE EARLY IN THE PERIOD (MORE GFS/ECMWF  
WEIGHT RELATIVE TO THE UKMET/CMC) AND THEN TRANSITIONED TOWARD  
HALF MODELS AND HALF ENSEMBLE MEANS (18Z GEFS/12Z ECENS) BY THE  
END OF THE PERIOD TO DOWNPLAY LOWER CONFIDENCE SPECIFICS FROM  
INDIVIDUAL MODEL RUNS.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
THE DAYS 4-5 EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOKS THAT COVER SUNDAY THROUGH  
MONDAY NIGHT DEPICT NO RISK AREAS AT THIS TIME. ON SUNDAY GUIDANCE  
SHOWS SIGNALS OF SOME LINGERING NORTHEAST PRECIPITATION THAT COULD  
PRODUCE LOCALIZED ENHANCED TOTALS, BUT LACK OF INSTABILITY AND  
FAIRLY RAPID DEPARTURE OF ANOMALOUS MOISTURE SHOULD TEMPER  
SHORT-TERM RAINFALL RATES. ON MONDAY THE GFS IS THE ONLY MODEL TO  
DEPICT THE ONSET OF LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL OVER THE SOUTHERN  
PLAINS DUE TO ITS FAST PROGRESSION OF NORMA, WITH OTHER MODELS  
MUCH DRIER. OTHERWISE MOISTURE WILL SPREAD ACROSS THE WEST WITH  
THE CENTRAL WEST COAST AND NORTHERN ROCKIES LIKELY SEEING  
RELATIVELY HIGHER BUT NOT EXCEPTIONALLY HEAVY TOTALS.  
PROBABILITIES FOR MEANINGFUL SNOW AT HIGH ELEVATIONS OF THE  
ROCKIES SHOULD START INCREASING EARLY IN THE WEEK.  
 
THE WESTERN AND CENTRAL U.S. FORECAST DURING TUESDAY-THURSDAY WILL  
DEPEND IN PART ON THE INCREASINGLY UNCERTAIN PATTERN ALOFT. BASED  
ON THE CURRENT MAJORITY SCENARIO OF A DEEPENING WESTERN U.S. UPPER  
TROUGH, MODERATELY COOL HIGHS OVER THE WEST EARLY IN THE WEEK  
WOULD TREND SIGNIFICANTLY COLDER OVER THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST INTO  
NORTHERN PLAINS. NORTHERN HIGH PLAINS LOCATIONS COULD SEE HIGHS AT  
LEAST 20F BELOW NORMAL. THIS TREND WOULD LEAD TO INCREASING SNOW  
COVERAGE INCLUDING AT SOME LOWER ELEVATIONS, WITH SOME HIGHER  
ELEVATION SNOW IN THE CASCADES AS WELL. A SMALLER MINORITY  
SCENARIO WOULD LEAD TO A WARMER AND DRIER PATTERN OVER THE WEST,  
SO CONTINUE TO MONITOR UPCOMING FORECASTS. MEANWHILE THE PATTERN  
SHOULD BECOME FAVORABLE FOR INCREASING COVERAGE AND INTENSITY OF  
RAINFALL OVER THE CENTRAL U.S. BY TUESDAY OR SO, WITH MOISTURE  
FROM HURRICANE NORMA LIKELY CONTRIBUTING TO THIS ACTIVITY. THE  
CURRENT MOST LIKELY PATTERN WOULD PRODUCE A FAIRLY BROAD AREA OF  
MODERATE TO HEAVY RAINFALL, WHILE THE MINORITY WESTERN UPPER RIDGE  
SCENARIO WOULD PROBABLY RESULT IN A MORE CONFINED AREA OF RAINFALL  
AHEAD OF THE LEADING SHORTWAVE/UPPER LOW ALONG THE MEXICO BORDER.  
 
EXPECT THE NORTHEAST TO SEE GUSTY WINDS ON SUNDAY BEHIND THE  
DEPARTING CANADIAN MARITIMES SYSTEM. COOL TEMPERATURES OVER THE  
EAST SUNDAY-MONDAY SHOULD MODERATE TO NEAR OR ABOVE NORMAL BY  
MIDWEEK. THE EARLY WEEK COOL SPELL MAY BRING THE FIRST FROST OR  
FREEZE OF THE SEASON TO SOME LOCATIONS FROM THE GREAT LAKES INTO  
THE APPALACHIANS. WARM TEMPERATURES OVER THE ROCKIES AND THEN  
PLAINS EARLY IN THE WEEK, WITH SOME HIGHS AT LEAST 10-15F ABOVE  
AVERAGE, SHOULD MODERATE THEREAFTER BUT MORNING LOWS WILL REMAIN  
QUITE WARM (10-20F ABOVE NORMAL) ACROSS THE PLAINS INTO THE GREAT  
LAKES THROUGH THURSDAY IN THE MOIST FLOW AROUND THE WESTERN SIDE  
OF EAST COAST/ATLANTIC HIGH PRESSURE.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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