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FXUS02 KWBC 200616  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
215 AM EDT FRI OCT 20 2023  
 
VALID 12Z MON OCT 23 2023 - 12Z FRI OCT 27 2023  
 
...MODERATE TO HEAVY RAINFALL INCREASINGLY LIKELY FOR PARTS OF THE  
SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL U.S. EARLY TO MID NEXT WEEK...  
 
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD BEGINS MONDAY WITH TROUGHING EXITING THE  
EAST COAST TO BE REPLACED BY A DEVELOPING UPPER RIDGE LASTING MUCH  
OF THE WEEK. OUT WEST, AN UPPER LOW IS LIKELY TO DIVE INTO THE  
SOUTHWEST/NORTHERN MEXICO BEFORE WEAKENING AND LIFTING INTO THE  
SOUTHERN U.S. LATER NEXT WEEK. ADDITIONAL ENERGY LOOKS TO MOVE  
INTO THE NORTHWEST AROUND MID-WEEK, BUT MODEL GUIDANCE CONTINUES  
TO SHOW CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY IN THE TRACK AND STRENGTH OF THIS  
ENERGY AND ANY POTENTIAL INTERACTIONS WITH THE UPPER LOW OVER THE  
SOUTHWEST. REGARDLESS, IT SEEMS LIKELY REMNANT ENERGY/MOISTURE  
FROM WHAT IS CURRENTLY HURRICANE NORMA COULD STREAM NORTHWARD TO  
SPREAD POTENTIALLY HEAVY RAINFALL INTO PARTS OF THE SOUTHERN AND  
CENTRAL U.S. AHEAD OF A STRONG COLD FRONT, WHILE ON THE BACKSIDE,  
SNOW CHANCES INCREASE IN THE NORTHERN ROCKIES AND PERHAPS EVEN  
INTO PARTS OF THE NORTHERN PLAINS LATE NEXT WEEK.  
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
MODEL GUIDANCE IS IN REASONABLE AGREEMENT FOR AT LEAST THE FIRST  
HALF OF THE PERIOD, ASIDE FROM THE GFS CONTINUING TO BE NOTABLY  
FASTER WITH THE REMNANT ENERGY OF NORMA THROUGH NORTHERN MEXICO.  
AFTER WEDNESDAY, THE 18Z/OCT 19 GFS RUN WAS SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER  
TO EJECT THE SOUTHWEST UPPER LOW INTO THE SOUTHERN/CENTRAL U.S.  
LATE WEEK ALLOWING IT TO BECOME ABSORBED INTO NORTHERN STREAM  
TROUGHING. THE REMAINING DETERMINISTIC MODELS AS WELL AS TO SOME  
DEGREE THE ENSEMBLE MEANS, SEEM TO BE TRENDING TOWARDS MAINTAINING  
THE SOUTHERN LOW AS A SEPARATE FEATURE, AND SLOWER TO TRACK  
NORTHEASTWARD. THE EVOLUTION OF THIS IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO  
INCOMING ENERGY INTO THE NORTHWEST AROUND THE SAME TIME, WHICH  
STILL HAS A TON OF SPREAD AND MODEL RUN TO RUN VARIABILITY. AT  
LEAST THROUGH THE LATEST 12Z/18Z OCT 19 MODEL RUNS, THE GFS IS  
MUCH STRONGER SHOWING AN UPPER LOW OVER THE NORTHWEST AND AN  
EVENTUAL RATHER WOUND UP AND DEEP SURFACE CYCLONE ACROSS THE  
NORTHERN PLAINS DAY 7. MEANWHILE, THE CMC KEEPS THE ENERGY NORTH  
IN CANADA WITH UPPER RIDGING OVER THE NORTHWEST AND HIGH PRESSURE  
AT THE SURFACE. THE ECMWF AND THE MEANS SUPPORT SOME SORT OF  
ENERGY TRACKING ACROSS THE NORTHERN TIER, JUST MUCH WEAKER THAN  
THE GFS. NEW 00Z RUNS FOR TONIGHT GENERALLY CONTINUE TO FOLLOW  
SUIT WITH THEIR OWN PREVIOUS RUNS, SUGGESTING A VERY UNCERTAIN AND  
LOW CONFIDENCE FORECAST AT BEST RIGHT NOW.  
 
THE WPC FORECAST FOR TONIGHT USED A BLEND OF THE ECMWF, CMC, AND  
UKMET FOR ABOUT THE FIRST HALF OF THE PERIOD. AFTER THAT, QUICKLY  
TRANSITIONED TO A MOSTLY ENSEMBLE MEAN BLEND TO HELP MITIGATE  
SIGNIFICANT LATE PERIOD DIFFERENCES. WAS ABLE TO CONTINUE MINOR  
CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE ECMWF (WHICH WAS THE DETERMINISTIC MODEL  
CLOSEST TO THE ENSEMBLE MEANS) THROUGH DAY 7 JUST FOR A LITTLE  
EXTRA SYSTEM DEFINITION. THIS APPROACH MAINTAINS GOOD CONTINUITY  
WITH THE PREVIOUS WPC FORECAST AS WELL.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
THE BETTER CONSENSUS SUGGESTS MONDAY SHOULD BE RELATIVELY QUIET  
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THOUGH RECENT RUNS OF THE GFS HAVE BEEN RATHER  
PERSISTENT IN DEPICTING THE ONSET OF LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL OVER  
THE SOUTHERN PLAINS AS EARLY AS MONDAY, SO THIS IS SOMETHING TO  
WATCH. STILL, GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY, OPTED TO KEEP THE DAY 4  
EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK BLANK, BUT A RISK AREA MAY NEED TO BE  
INTRODUCED IN FUTURE UPDATES IF OTHER PIECES OF GUIDANCE TREND  
FASTER LIKE THE GFS. BY TUESDAY, FAVORABLE MOISTURE AND  
INSTABILITY FROM NORMA REMNANTS SHOULD BEGIN SPREADING IN EARNEST  
INTO THE SOUTHERN PLAINS, WITH AT LEAST LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL  
LIKELY, POSSIBLY SPREADING INTO PARTS OF THE MIDWEST ALONG THE  
STRONG FRONTAL BOUNDARY. A BROAD MARGINAL RISK FOR EXCESSIVE  
RAINFALL WAS INTRODUCED ON THE DAY 5/TUESDAY ERO, STRETCHING FROM  
EASTERN NEW MEXICO NORTHWARD INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST. IT IS  
POSSIBLE AN EMBEDDED SLIGHT RISK MAY BE NEEDED SOMEWHERE, BUT AT  
LEAST THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THIS REGION HAS BEEN VERY DRY LATELY  
AND THERE IS STILL A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY ON TIMING  
AND RAINFALL AMOUNTS. RAINFALL MAY LINGER OR SPREAD VERY SLOWLY  
EASTWARD LATER NEXT WEEK, BUT SHOULD TREND LIGHTER AS THE BETTER  
MOISTURE WEAKENS AND THE UPPER LOW OPENS UP AND MOVES EAST. OUT  
WEST, PROBABILITIES FOR MEANINGFUL SNOW AT HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF  
THE NORTHERN ROCKIES SHOULD START INCREASING BY MONDAY/TUESDAY,  
WITH SOME POTENTIAL FOR GENERALLY LIGHTER SNOWFALL AMOUNTS EVEN  
EXTENDING INTO PARTS OF THE NORTHERN PLAINS LATER IN THE WEEK, BUT  
HIGHLY DEPENDENT ON THE CURRENTLY VERY UNCERTAIN UPPER LEVEL  
PATTERN EVOLUTION.  
 
WELL ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES WILL SPREAD FROM THE PLAINS INTO  
THE MIDWEST/NORTHEAST MONDAY-WEDNESDAY WITH THE GREATEST ANOMALIES  
(15-20 DEGREES ABOVE NORMAL) LIKELY MONDAY ACROSS THE CENTRAL  
PLAINS. TO THE EAST, MORNING LOW TEMPERATURES ON MONDAY MAY BE  
COLD ENOUGH FROM THE GREAT LAKES INTO THE APPALACHIANS TO SUPPORT  
A GENERALLY FROST THREAT FOR MANY, BUT SHOULD MODERATE THEREAFTER  
AS UPPER RIDGING BUILDS INTO THE REGION. TEMPERATURES WILL TREND  
COOLER WEDNESDAY AND BEYOND FOR MUCH OF THE WEST, BUT ESPECIALLY  
FOR THE NORTHERN ROCKIES/PLAINS WHERE DAYTIME HIGHS COULD BE 10-20  
DEGREES BELOW NORMAL BEHIND THE COLD FRONT.  
 
SANTORELLI  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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