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FXUS02 KWBC 011858  
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EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
258 PM EDT WED NOV 01 2023  
 
VALID 12Z SAT NOV 04 2023 - 12Z WED NOV 08 2023  
   
..SYNOPTIC OVERVIEW
 
 
MODELS AND ENSEMBLE MEANS SHOW THIS WEEK'S AMPLIFIED UPPER LEVEL  
PATTERN EVOLVING INTO A MORE QUASI-ZONAL FLOW ACROSS THE  
CONTINENTAL U.S. GOING INTO THE WEEKEND AND PERSISTING INTO NEXT  
WEEK, WITH BROAD CYCLONIC FLOW ALOFT OVER SOUTHERN CANADA  
DOWNSTREAM FROM A WESTERN CANADA RIDGE. MOIST FLOW TO THE SOUTH  
OF A NORTHEAST PACIFIC MEAN UPPER LOW, POSSIBLY IN THE PROCESS OF  
BEING REPLACED TOWARD THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK, WILL LIKELY BRING  
UNSETTLED CONDITIONS TO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST WITH MULTIPLE ROUNDS  
OF RAINFALL DURING THE PERIOD. EASTWARD PROGRESSION OF SHORTWAVES  
EMBEDDED WITHIN THIS PACIFIC FLOW PLUS POTENTIAL INPUT FROM ENERGY  
ON THE SOUTHERN PERIPHERY OF THE CANADIAN STREAM SHOULD SUPPORT  
ONE OR MORE SURFACE WAVES/FRONTAL SYSTEMS WITH ASSOCIATED AREAS OF  
PRECIPITATION OVER PARTS OF THE CENTRAL/EASTERN U.S. TYPICAL  
DIFFICULTY OF RESOLVING SHORTWAVE DETAILS WITHIN THIS REGIME  
LOWERS CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFICS OF SYSTEM EVOLUTION AND  
CORRESPONDING SENSIBLE WEATHER OVER THE EASTERN HALF OF THE  
COUNTRY BY NEXT WEEK.  
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
MODEL/ENSEMBLE SPREAD AND RUN-TO-RUN VARIABILITY OVER THE PAST  
12-24 HOURS ARE HIGHLIGHTING THE CHALLENGE OF FORECASTING  
IMPORTANT DETAILS WITHIN THE FORECAST LOW-AMPLITUDE FLOW REGIME.  
THIS IS PARTICULARLY TRUE FOR THE SYSTEM WHICH THE MAJORITY OF  
GUIDANCE HAS BEEN SHOWING OVER THE GREAT LAKES/OHIO VALLEY AS OF  
EARLY TUESDAY AND CONTINUING EASTWARD THEREAFTER. 24 HOURS AGO  
THERE WAS A FAIRLY STRONG GROUPING OF ECMWF/CMC RUNS AND  
GEFS/ECENS/CMCENS MEANS RELATIVE TO THE FASTER GFS RUNS. 00Z/06Z  
GUIDANCE DEVELOPED A SIGNIFICANT TIMING DIVERGENCE BY NEXT TUESDAY  
AND ESPECIALLY WEDNESDAY, WITH THE CMC/CMCENS SLOWEST AND GFS  
FASTEST. THERE WAS ALSO THE INTERESTING CONTRAST OF THE 00Z ECMWF  
TRENDING FASTER FROM CONTINUITY AND ITS ENSEMBLE MEAN (AND THE NEW  
12Z ECMWF REMAINS AT LEAST AS FAST) VERSUS THE LATEST GEFS MEANS  
ADJUSTING A LITTLE SLOWER BY WEDNESDAY. THE 12Z GFS/CMC ADD MORE  
INTRIGUE WITH OTHER POSSIBILITIES FOR SHORTWAVE INFLUENCE ON  
FRONTAL WAVE DEVELOPMENT. PREFERENCE FOR THE UPDATED FORECAST  
BASED ON 00Z/06Z SOLUTIONS WAS AN INTERMEDIATE APPROACH THAT  
STAYED FAIRLY CLOSE TO CONTINUITY WHILE AWAITING MORE CONFIDENCE  
IN ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.  
 
ELSEWHERE, WEAKER TRENDS IN THE GFS AND MORE SIGNALS IN OTHER  
GUIDANCE HAVE YIELDED SOMEWHAT BETTER AGREEMENT FOR A MODEST WAVE  
BRUSHING THE UPPER GREAT LAKES AROUND SUNDAY. HOWEVER THERE HAVE  
BEEN SOME CHANGES IN DYNAMIC SUPPORT WITH MORE INFLUENCE FROM  
SOUTHERN CANADA SHORTWAVE ENERGY COMPARED TO YESTERDAY. ECMWF  
TRENDS HAVE IMPROVED GUIDANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE EASTERN PACIFIC  
INTO PACIFIC NORTHWEST SURFACE EVOLUTION DURING THE WEEKEND.  
THERE ARE STILL SOME DIFFERENCES WITH SURFACE DETAILS  
MONDAY-WEDNESDAY BUT A BLEND APPROACH MAINTAINS GOOD CONTINUITY IN  
PRINCIPLE. MODELS/MEANS GENERALLY SUGGEST THAT EASTERN PACIFIC  
UPPER TROUGH ENERGY SHOULD PROGRESS INLAND NEXT WEDNESDAY. THE  
12Z GFS APPEARS TO STRAY SOMEWHAT ON THE FAST SIDE AT THAT TIME.  
 
FORECAST PREFERENCES LED TO STARTING WITH A 00Z/06Z OPERATIONAL  
MODEL COMPOSITE EARLY IN THE PERIOD, FOLLOWED BY INCORPORATION OF  
HALF OR MORE TOTAL WEIGHT OF WPC CONTINUITY AND THE 06Z GEFS/00Z  
ECENS MEANS RELATIVE TO LINGERING INPUT FROM THE GFS/ECMWF/CMC.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
MOST OF THE CONTINENTAL U.S. SHOULD NOT SEE ANY SIGNIFICANT  
RAINFALL HAZARDS THROUGH THIS COMING WEEKEND. SIMILAR TO THE PAST  
FEW DAYS, THE ONLY REGION WHERE THERE WILL BE A RISK OF EXCESSIVE  
RAINFALL LEADING TO POTENTIAL FLOODING CONCERNS WILL BE IN THE  
COASTAL RANGES OF THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST WITH THE ENHANCED ONSHORE  
FLOW THAT WILL CONTINUE INTO THE WEEKEND. A MARGINAL RISK OF  
EXCESSIVE RAINFALL HAS BEEN MAINTAINED ON DAY 4 (SATURDAY) FROM  
NORTHWESTERN CALIFORNIA TO THE OREGON CASCADES AND COASTAL RANGES.  
LOCALLY HEAVIER RAINFALL ON THE WEST FACING SLOPES MAY JUST BE  
ENOUGH TO CAUSE SOME MINOR FLOODING CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY IN URBAN  
AND BURN SCAR AREAS. GUIDANCE IS ALSO SHOWING POTENTIAL FOR  
ENHANCED RAINFALL OVER WESTERN IDAHO AND NORTHEASTERN OREGON BUT  
FOR NOW THE HOURLY RAIN RATES DO NOT APPEAR TO BE HIGH ENOUGH TO  
WARRANT A RISK AREA. LOOKING AHEAD TO DAY 5 (SUNDAY), ADDITIONAL  
MODERATE TO HEAVY RAIN IS LIKELY FOR AREAS SLIGHTLY FARTHER NORTH  
ALONG THE WEST COAST AS ANOTHER POTENTIAL ATMOSPHERIC RIVER EVENT  
DEVELOPS WITH 1-2 INCHES OF ADDITIONAL RAINFALL DURING THAT TIME  
PERIOD. EXPECT PRECIPITATION FROM THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST INTO THE  
ROCKIES TO TREND LIGHTER BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. HIGHER  
ELEVATIONS MAY SEE SOME SNOW THROUGH THE PERIOD.  
 
ACROSS THE EASTERN HALF OF THE COUNTRY, A LEADING WEAK WAVE  
BRUSHING THE GREAT LAKES AND ASSOCIATED FRONT MAY PRODUCE SOME  
LIGHT PRECIPITATION OVER THE NORTHERN TIER, GREAT LAKES, AND  
NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND DURING THE WEEKEND. A BETTER DEFINED SYSTEM  
MAY BRING A BROADER AREA OF PRECIPITATION TO THE EASTERN HALF OF  
THE COUNTRY DURING THE EARLY TO MIDDLE PART OF NEXT WEEK.  
CONFIDENCE IS BELOW AVERAGE FOR THE COVERAGE/INTENSITY/TIMING OF  
THIS PRECIPITATION DUE TO SIGNIFICANT GUIDANCE DIFFERENCES FOR  
STRENGTH AND TIMING OF THE POTENTIAL PRIMARY SURFACE SYSTEM AS  
WELL AS POSSIBLE WAVE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE TRAILING FRONT.  
U.S., WIDESPREAD LIGHT TO MODERATE RAIN WILL LIKELY DEVELOP FROM  
THE MIDWEST TO THE OHIO VALLEY AND GREAT LAKES REGION AS THE NEXT  
LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM GETS BETTER ORGANIZED, AND THIS RAINFALL  
SHOULD REACH THE EAST COAST BY LATE TUESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY.  
LOCATIONS ALONG AND NEAR THE CANADIAN BORDER MAY SEE SOME SNOW  
DURING THE PERIOD WHILE RAIN WILL BE THE PREVAILING PRECIPITATION  
TYPE ELSEWHERE.  
 
TEMPERATURES WILL CONTINUE A SLOW WARMING TREND OVER THE EAST THIS  
WEEKEND AS THE CURRENT CHILLY AIRMASS MODIFIES AND READINGS RETURN  
TO NEAR SEASONAL AVERAGES. ABOVE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES WILL LIKELY  
SPREAD ACROSS MUCH OF THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN U.S. EARLY NEXT  
WEEK, AHEAD OF A FRONT REACHING THE PLAINS BY MONDAY. SOME HIGHS  
MAY REACH 10-15F ABOVE NORMAL WITH SLIGHTLY HIGHER ANOMALIES  
POSSIBLE FOR MORNING LOWS. EXPECT A COOLING TREND OVER MOST  
LOCATIONS ASIDE FROM THE FAR SOUTHERN TIER BY TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY AS  
THE FRONT PROGRESSES EASTWARD. PLEASANTLY MILD CONDITIONS WILL  
ALSO RETURN TO THE ROCKIES AND ADJACENT PORTIONS OF THE CENTRAL  
AND SOUTHERN PLAINS THIS WEEKEND. HOWEVER, QUITE CHILLY  
CONDITIONS WILL PERSIST OVER PARTS OF THE NORTHERN PLAINS AND  
UPPER MIDWEST WITH HIGHS OF 5-10F BELOW NORMAL, RANGING FROM THE  
UPPER 20S TO LOWER 40S IN MOST CASES. THE COLDEST WEATHER SHOULD  
BE OVER NORTHERN NORTH DAKOTA.  
 
RAUSCH/HAMRICK  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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