904  
FXUS02 KWBC 041857  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
257 PM EDT SAT NOV 04 2023  
 
VALID 12Z TUE NOV 07 2023 - 12Z SAT NOV 11 2023  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
THE UPPER FLOW PATTERN ACROSS THE CONTIGUOUS U.S. DURING THE  
TUESDAY-SATURDAY PERIOD LOOKS TO BE FAIRLY ZONAL AND PROGRESSIVE  
FROM THE MULTI-DAY MEAN PERSPECTIVE, BUT MULTIPLE EMBEDDED  
SHORTWAVES WILL BE IMPACTFUL IN SPINNING UP LOW PRESSURE/FRONTAL  
SYSTEMS. THE LEADING SYSTEM IN THE SERIES WILL AFFECT THE  
NORTHEAST U.S. AND SOUTHEASTERN CANADA TUESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY WITH  
MOSTLY LIGHT PRECIPITATION AND BREEZY CONDITIONS. THEN A  
POSITIVELY TILTED SHORTWAVE EMERGING FROM THE WEST, EVENTUALLY  
REINFORCED BY SOME CANADIAN FLOW, SHOULD PROGRESS TOWARD THE  
EASTERN U.S. WITH ASSOCIATED LOW PRESSURE PUSHING A TRAILING COLD  
FRONT SOUTHEASTWARD ACROSS MUCH OF THE COUNTRY AS THE WEEK  
PROGRESSES. THIS FRONT WILL GRADUALLY SUPPRESS WHAT STARTS AS A  
WIDESPREAD AREA OF ABOVE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES. MEANWHILE IN THE  
WEST, PRECIPITATION SHOULD LINGER INTO TUESDAY BEFORE A LIKELY  
BREAK AROUND MIDWEEK. AN APPROACHING PACIFIC SHORTWAVE AND FRONTAL  
SYSTEM SHOULD INCREASE RAIN/SNOW CHANCES LATE NEXT WEEK WITH THE  
AMPLIFYING UPPER TROUGH MOVING INLAND BY THE WEEKEND.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
THE LATEST MODELS AND ENSEMBLES GENERALLY DEPICT THE THREE PRIMARY  
SYSTEMS OF INTEREST IN PRINCIPLE, BUT WITH SOME IMPORTANT DETAIL  
DIFFERENCES YET TO BE RESOLVED. FOR THE NORTHEAST U.S. INTO  
CANADA SYSTEM TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY, LATEST CMC RUNS AND THE 12Z UKMET  
ARE ON THE SLOWER SIDE OF THE SPREAD BUT THE CMC CATCHES UP THE  
REMAINING MAJORITY CLUSTER BY EARLY WEDNESDAY. WITH THE NEXT  
SYSTEM, GUIDANCE CLUSTERS DECENTLY FOR THE PLAINS TO EASTERN GREAT  
LAKES WAVE FROM WEDNESDAY INTO EARLY THURSDAY BUT RAPIDLY DIVERGES  
THEREAFTER IN RESPONSE TO DIFFERENCES IN NORTHERN TIER  
U.S./SOUTHERN CANADA ENERGY ALOFT. SOLUTIONS FOR THE SURFACE LOW  
RANGE FROM A SYSTEM OCCLUDING INTO CANADA SUCH AS SEEN IN THE NEW  
12Z GFS TO A VERY SUPPRESSED WAVE ACROSS THE NORTHERN MID-ATLANTIC  
PER THE 00Z ECMWF. THE 12Z GFS REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE  
FROM THE 00Z/06Z RUNS THAT TRACKED ACROSS SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND.  
ENSEMBLE MEANS HAVE BEEN SPLIT AS WELL, WITH THE CMCENS BECOMING  
NORTHWEST AND OCCLUDED LIKE THE 12Z GFS, THE ECENS SUPPRESSED LIKE  
ITS PARENT RUN, AND THE GEFS TRENDING FROM AN IN-BETWEEN 06Z RUN  
TO A MORE OCCLUDED 12Z VERSION. GIVEN THE SPREAD AND VARIABILITY  
AMONG LATEST GUIDANCE, PREFER AN INTERMEDIATE SOLUTION WITH  
ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION OF CONTINUITY THAT DEPICTED A SUPPRESSED  
WAVE BUT NOT TO THE DEGREE OF THE 00Z ECMWF. ALSO OF NOTE, BY LATE  
IN THE WEEK THE AVERAGE OF GUIDANCE HAS TRENDED A BIT SLOWER WITH  
THE WAVY FRONT CROSSING THE EASTERN U.S. (WITH THE WAVE/S  
INFLUENCE BY SHORTWAVE ENERGY TRACKING OUT OF THE WEST) AND THE  
UPDATED BLEND REFLECTS THIS IDEA.  
 
OVER THE WEST, A DEFAULT MODEL BLEND RESOLVES MINOR DETAIL  
DIFFERENCES FOR THE LEADING SHORTWAVE THAT CROSSES THE REGION  
TUESDAY-THURSDAY. THE NEXT SHORTWAVE THAT ARRIVES BY AROUND FRIDAY  
HAS BEEN MORE TROUBLESOME FOR RESOLVING DETAILS, WITH A FAIRLY  
WIDE SPREAD FOR HOW EMBEDDED ENERGY MAY BE DISTRIBUTED AS THE  
AMPLIFYING TROUGH MOVES INLAND. SOME GFS/ECMWF RUNS OVER THE PAST  
COUPLE DAYS OR SO HAVE BEEN SUGGESTING THAT SOME ENERGY IN THE  
SOUTHERN PART OF THE UPPER TROUGH COULD PULL OFF TO FORM A CLOSED  
LOW, WITH 00Z/12Z GFS RUNS THAT DID THIS TENDING TO BE MORE  
PRONOUNCED IN DEPTH/SLOWNESS RELATIVE TO THE ECMWF RUNS. HOWEVER  
THIS IDEA HAS TENDED TO BE A LITTLE LESS COMMON AMONG THE  
ENSEMBLES, LEADING TO MOST MEANS MAINTAINING A PHASED TROUGH, AND  
CMC RUNS HAVE KEPT THE SHORTWAVE OPEN. AMONG THE MEANS, THE 12Z/03  
ECENS MEAN SHOWED THE MOST HINT AT SOUTHERN FLOW SEPARATION. WITH  
THE 00Z/06Z GUIDANCE AS A WHOLE TILTING A LITTLE MORE AWAY FROM  
THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE TROUGH SEPARATING, INCLUDING THE 06Z GFS  
ADJUSTING FARTHER NORTHEAST WITH ITS UPPER LOW, FORECAST  
PREFERENCE NUDGED A LITTLE IN THE PHASED DIRECTION. THE 12Z GFS  
MAKES A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN FAVOR OF THIS IDEA AS IT CARRIES THE  
CORE OF ITS DEEPEST ENERGY ACROSS THE NORTHWEST, AND THE 12Z ECMWF  
NOW CARRIES A CLOSED OR NEARLY CLOSED LOW A LITTLE MORE SLOWLY  
ACROSS THE SAME REGION.  
 
FORECAST PREFERENCES LED TO STARTING WITH A 00Z/06Z OPERATIONAL  
MODEL BLEND FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE PERIOD AND THEN RAPIDLY  
TRANSITIONING TOWARD 40-50 PERCENT TOTAL INPUT FROM THE 06Z  
GEFS/00Z ECENS MEANS WITH THE REMAINDER COMING FROM MINORITY  
COMPONENTS OF THE 06Z GFS AND 00Z ECMWF/CMC.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
THE WESTERN U.S. CAN EXPECT PRECIPITATION TO CONTINUE INTO  
TUESDAY, BUT WITH LESSENING AMOUNTS COMPARED TO THE SHORT RANGE  
PERIOD. HIGHER ELEVATIONS LIKE THE CASCADES AND NORTHERN ROCKIES  
ARE LIKELY TO SEE SNOW. PRECIPITATION SHOULD TREND MUCH LIGHTER  
FOR THE WEST ON WEDNESDAY AS UPPER-LEVEL RIDGING BRIEFLY BUILDS  
BACK IN, THOUGH THE CENTRAL ROCKIES COULD HAVE A PERIOD OF SNOW.  
CHANCES FOR AT LEAST LIGHT PRECIPITATION MAY INCREASE AGAIN LATE  
WEEK FOR THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST, BUT WITH UNCERTAINTY IN TIMING AND  
AMOUNTS. ISSUES WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SUPPORTING UPPER TROUGH  
MOVING INTO THE WEST ALSO LOWER CONFIDENCE IN DETERMINING THE  
SOUTHEASTWARD EXTENT OF PRECIPITATION.  
 
FARTHER EAST, A COUPLE LOW PRESSURE AND FRONTAL SYSTEMS TRACKING  
THROUGH THE MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES REGION TO NORTHEAST SHOULD BRING  
ROUNDS OF PRECIPITATION NEXT WEEK. A LEADING SYSTEM EXITING NEW  
ENGLAND AFTER TUESDAY WILL BRING MOSTLY LIGHT TOTALS AND A BRIEF  
PERIOD OF BREEZY CONDITIONS. AMOUNTS AND NORTH-SOUTH EXTENT OF  
PRECIPITATION REMAIN UNCERTAIN WITH THE NEXT WAVE FORECAST TO  
PROGRESS NORTHEASTWARD FROM THE CENTRAL PLAINS MID-LATE WEEK, WITH  
SOME CONNECTING SURFACE REFLECTION POTENTIALLY EXTENDING NORTH  
INTO CANADA. AFTER EARLY THURSDAY GUIDANCE DIVERGES ON THE  
STRUCTURE OF THIS SYSTEM, INCREASING THE UNCERTAINTY IN  
PRECIPITATION COVERAGE, AMOUNTS, AND TYPE. OVERALL THIS MAY BE A  
SOMEWHAT COLDER SYSTEM, WITH PRECIPITATION IN THE FORM OF SNOW  
POSSIBLE IN AREAS NEAR THE CANADIAN BORDER AND AT LEAST THE HIGHER  
ELEVATIONS OF THE INTERIOR NORTHEAST, PERHAPS EVEN INTO LOWER  
ELEVATIONS OF NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND. THERE IS LOW CONFIDENCE IN  
SNOW LEVELS AND AMOUNTS AT THIS POINT THOUGH. LIGHT LAKE EFFECT  
PRECIPITATION WILL BE POSSIBLE AFTER THIS SYSTEM PASSES. SOME RAIN  
IS POSSIBLE FARTHER SOUTHWEST ALONG THE FRONTAL CORRIDOR, WITH THE  
BEST CHANCE FOR HIGHER RAINFALL TOTALS LATE IN THE WEEK OVER  
SOUTHERN TEXAS WHERE THE AVAILABLE MOISTURE WILL BE THE HIGHEST.  
 
MUCH OF THE EASTERN TWO-THIRDS OF THE COUNTRY WILL SEE ABOVE  
AVERAGE TEMPERATURES AS THE PERIOD BEGINS TUESDAY, WITH THE  
GREATEST ANOMALIES OF 15-25F FOR HIGHS ACROSS THE SOUTHERN HIGH  
PLAINS AS TEMPERATURES RISE WELL INTO THE 80S. EXPECT A CORRIDOR  
OF LOWS THAT ARE 20-25F ABOVE NORMAL TO EXTEND ACROSS PARTS OF THE  
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY INTO THE OHIO/TENNESSEE VALLEYS ON  
TUESDAY-THURSDAY, WITH WARMER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE  
GULF COAST STATES AS WELL. DAILY RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURES COULD BE  
SET FROM THE SOUTH-CENTRAL TO SOUTHEASTERN U.S. ESPECIALLY ON  
TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY. COLD FRONTS TRACKING SOUTH AND EAST SHOULD  
GRADUALLY REDUCE THE AREA OF ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE  
CONUS WITH TIME, COOLING TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE NORTHERN TIER,  
THEN THE CENTRAL U.S. TO OHIO VALLEY, AND FINALLY ACROSS THE  
SOUTHEAST BY FRIDAY-SATURDAY. BEHIND THESE FRONTS, BELOW NORMAL  
TEMPERATURES SHOULD BE MOST PREVALENT OVER THE WESTERN U.S. (WHERE  
COOL READINGS SHOULD PERSIST MOST OF THE PERIOD), SPREADING INTO  
THE SOUTH-CENTRAL U.S. AND TOWARD THE OHIO VALLEY, GREAT LAKES,  
AND THE NORTHEAST LATE WEEK.  
 
RAUSCH/TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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