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FXUS02 KWBC 060714  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
213 AM EST MON NOV 06 2023  
 
VALID 12Z THU NOV 09 2023 - 12Z MON NOV 13 2023  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
THE UPPER FLOW PATTERN ACROSS THE CONTIGUOUS U.S. DURING THE  
LATTER PART OF THIS WEEK INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK LOOKS TO BE  
PROGRESSIVE WITH MULTIPLE EMBEDDED SHORTWAVES THAT WILL BE  
IMPACTFUL IN SPINNING UP LOW PRESSURE/FRONTAL SYSTEMS. THE FIRST  
SYSTEM OF CONCERN IS A POSITIVELY TILTED SHORTWAVE OVER THE FOUR  
CORNERS THURSDAY COMBINING WITH CANADIAN FLOW TO PRODUCE TROUGHING  
ACROSS THE MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES AND NORTHEAST LATE WEEK. EASTWARD  
PROGRESSION OF THE UPPER TROUGH AND ASSOCIATED WAVY FRONT DURING  
THE LATTER HALF OF THE WEEK WILL GRADUALLY SUPPRESS WHAT STARTS AS  
A WIDESPREAD AREA OF ABOVE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES, WHILE BRINGING  
PRECIPITATION OF VARYING INTENSITY TO PARTS OF THE SOUTHERN AND  
EASTERN U.S. UPSTREAM, AN APPROACHING PACIFIC SHORTWAVE AND  
FRONTAL SYSTEM SHOULD INCREASE RAIN/SNOW CHANCES LATE THIS WEEK  
WITH THE AMPLIFYING UPPER TROUGH MOVING INLAND BY THE WEEKEND,  
FOLLOWED BY A LARGER SCALE EASTERN PACIFIC UPPER TROUGH THAT MAY  
GENERATE ADDITIONAL PRECIPITATION OVER THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST  
DURING THE WEEKEND.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
LATEST MODEL AND ENSEMBLE RUNS CONTINUE TO SHOW CONSIDERABLE  
SPREAD FOR MULTIPLE PARTS OF THE FORECAST. WITH THE EASTERN  
SYSTEM, THE 12Z UKMET SEEMED OFF INITIALLY WITH THE FOUR CORNERS  
SHORTWAVE AND WITH THE CANADIAN ENERGY, AND WAS NOT FAVORED. GFS  
RUNS OVER THE PAST DAY OR SO HAVE USUALLY BEEN ON THE FARTHER  
NORTH SIDE WITH THE ASSOCIATED SURFACE LOW, INCLUDING THE 18Z GFS,  
BUT THE 12Z RUN DID CLUSTER BETTER WITH THE NON-NCEP GUIDANCE.  
TOOK A COMPROMISE APPROACH WITH A BLEND OF THE 12Z GFS/ECMWF/CMC  
GUIDANCE ALONG WITH THE ENSEMBLE MEANS FOR THIS FEATURE. OVERALL  
THIS SYSTEM HAS PERHAPS MORE UNCERTAINTY THAN NORMAL FOR A DAYS  
3-5 FORECAST, BUT NOT AS BAD AS UPSTREAM.  
 
THEN MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW SHORTWAVE TROUGHING COMING INTO THE  
WEST AROUND FRIDAY, WITH OVERALL A TREND TOWARD SHALLOWER/WEAKER  
ENERGY THAN SOME GUIDANCE FROM A DAY OR TWO AGO. BUT THE TIMING OF  
THE SHORTWAVE TRACKING INLAND AROUND SATURDAY HAS VARIED QUITE A  
BIT, TO THE POINT OF HAVING SOME MODELS OUT OF PHASE WITH EACH  
OTHER AND MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO BLEND GUIDANCE. THE ECMWF HAS  
BEEN THE SLOWEST IN MOVING THE SHORTWAVE EAST, BUT WITH SUPPORT  
FROM THE ECMWF MEAN. INTERESTINGLY THE ECMWF MACHINE LEARNING  
MODELS DID NOT HAVE AS SLOW OF A SHORTWAVE, AND CLUSTERED BETTER  
WITH THE GFS/CMC AND THEIR MEANS. SO LEANED MORE TOWARD THE  
GFS/GEFS MEAN/CMC HANDLING OF THE SHORTWAVE TIMING, AND IT SEEMED  
SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS FORECAST. IN TERMS OF THE NEWER 00Z  
GUIDANCE, THE GFS HAS SLOWED A BIT COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS RUNS  
(THOUGH NOT TO THE POINT OF THE ECMWF RUNS), AND IS STRONGER WITH  
THE ENERGY, EVEN CLOSING OFF A LOW TEMPORARILY ON SATURDAY. THE  
12Z AND NOW 00Z ECMWF RUNS, NOW ALONG WITH THE 00Z GFS, DIG THIS  
STRONGER ENERGY INTO THE CENTRAL U.S. SUNDAY AND PUSHES  
CONSIDERABLE TROUGHING EAST BY MONDAY, A NEW TREND FOR THE GFS.  
MEANWHILE FARTHER WEST MOST MODELS AGREE ON A BOUT OF RIDGING OVER  
THE WESTERN TO CENTRAL CONUS. THE 12Z AND NEWER 00Z CMC SHOW SOME  
EXCEPTION THOUGH, PRESSING A TROUGH INTO THE NORTH-CENTRAL U.S. TO  
SUPPRESS IT. THE BELOW AVERAGE CONFIDENCE LED TO A FORECAST  
FAVORING PARTICULARLY THE GEFS MEAN THROUGH THE LATTER PART OF THE  
PERIOD WITH ONLY A BIT OF THE DETERMINISTIC MODELS (MOSTLY THE 12Z  
GFS) REMAINING. EXPECT FORECAST DETAILS TO CHANGE IN FUTURE  
ISSUANCES IN THIS UNCERTAIN PATTERN.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
AS A NOTABLE SHORTWAVE AND ITS SURFACE LOW REFLECTION TRACK EAST  
THROUGH THE MIDWEST/GREAT LAKES AND NORTHEAST THROUGH THE LATTER  
PART OF THE WEEK, PRECIPITATION IS LIKELY BUT MODEL DIFFERENCES  
LEAD TO CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY WITH THE PRECIPITATION COVERAGE,  
AMOUNTS, AND TYPE. NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND COULD SEE THE BEST  
POTENTIAL FOR SNOW ON THURSDAY, BUT LOW CONFIDENCE IN SNOW LEVELS  
AND AMOUNTS REMAIN. LIGHT LAKE EFFECT PRECIPITATION WILL BE  
POSSIBLE AFTER THIS SYSTEM PASSES. RAIN OF VARYING INTENSITY IS  
POSSIBLE FARTHER SOUTHWEST ALONG THE FRONTAL CORRIDOR, LIKELY  
PEAKING THURSDAY IN THE SOUTH-CENTRAL CONUS. EASTERN PACIFIC AND  
GULF MOISTURE ARE FORECAST TO COMBINE IN THE VICINITY OF THE  
FRONT, WITH THE RIGHT ENTRANCE REGION OF THE JET STREAM OVERHEAD.  
THIS COULD LEAD TO HEAVY RAINFALL CAUSING FLASH FLOODING, SO A  
MARGINAL RISK IS MAINTAINED IN THE DAY 4/FRIDAY EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOK ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE SOUTHERN PLAINS AND LOWER  
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY. THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE RISK AREA SHOULD  
SEE THE HIGHEST INSTABILITY, WHILE FARTHER NORTH LOOKS TO HAVE THE  
HIGHEST RISK OF TRAINING CONVECTION. PLUS MODEL VARIABILITY IN THE  
PLACEMENT OF THE HEAVIEST AMOUNTS LEADS US TO COVER A LARGER AREA  
AT THIS POINT, WHICH COULD BE NARROWED WITH TIME AS MODELS  
CONVERGE, BUT THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. THE RAINFALL AXIS WILL  
SHIFT EAST WITH THE FRONT ON FRIDAY, WITH SHOWERS ACROSS THE  
SOUTHEAST INTO THE SOUTHERN/CENTRAL APPALACHIANS AND MID-ATLANTIC.  
ANY EXCESSIVE RAINFALL SHOULD BE LIMITED TO COASTAL TEXAS AHEAD OF  
THE FRONT CLEARING OUT THE HIGHEST MOISTURE, SO A MARGINAL RISK IS  
PLANNED FOR THAT REGION.  
 
FARTHER WEST, THE SOUTH-CENTRAL ROCKIES COULD SEE SNOW CHANCES  
LINGERING INTO THURSDAY. THE NORTHWEST LOOKS TO SEE PRECIPITATION  
CHANCES PICK UP AGAIN ON THURSDAY-FRIDAY WITH TROUGHING COMING  
THROUGH THE REGION. UNCERTAINTY IN TIMING AND AMOUNTS OF THE  
PRECIPITATION REMAINS, BUT THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST INTO NORTHERN  
CALIFORNIA AND THE NORTHERN ROCKIES COULD SEE MODERATE  
PRECIPITATION AMOUNTS, WITH LOWER ELEVATION RAIN AND HIGHER  
ELEVATION SNOW. THEN ANOTHER EASTERN PACIFIC TROUGH SHOULD BEGIN  
TO DIRECT MOISTURE INTO THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST OVER THE WEEKEND,  
MOST LIKELY OVER NORTHERN PARTS OF THE REGION.  
 
SOUTH-CENTRAL TO EASTERN PORTIONS OF THE COUNTRY WILL REMAIN  
WARMER THAN AVERAGE AHEAD OF THE FRONTAL BOUNDARY ON THURSDAY,  
WITH A CORRIDOR OF LOWS THAT ARE 20-25F ABOVE NORMAL EXTENDING  
FROM PARTS OF THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY INTO THE TENNESSEE AND OHIO  
VALLEYS THURSDAY MORNING THAT COULD SET DAILY RECORDS. THE COLD  
FRONT WILL BE ON ITS WAY THROUGH THOSE REGIONS THOUGH, SO HIGHS  
MAY ONLY WARM TO 5-10F ABOVE AVERAGE THERE ON THURSDAY, WITH  
GREATER WARM ANOMALIES FOR HIGHS FARTHER SOUTH ACROSS THE  
SOUTHEAST TO MID-ATLANTIC. WARM LOWS FRIDAY MORNING SHOULD BE  
LOCATED OVER SIMILAR REGIONS, BUT HIGHS SHOULD COOL TO NEAR OR  
BELOW NORMAL IN MUCH OF THE SOUTHEASTERN CONUS. BY THE WEEKEND,  
THE MAIN AREA REMAINING ABOVE AVERAGE WILL BE THE FLORIDA  
PENINSULA, WITH HIGHS WELL INTO THE 80S ACTUALLY CLOSE TO DAILY  
RECORD HIGHS. ELSEWHERE TEMPERATURES SHOULD BE COOLER AND NEAR  
NORMAL FOR THE WEEKEND. A TREND TOWARD UPPER-LEVEL RIDGING BY  
EARLY NEXT WEEK ACROSS THE CENTRAL U.S. WOULD LEAD TO TEMPERATURES  
WARMING TO AROUND 10F ABOVE AVERAGE ACROSS THE NORTHERN HALF OF  
THE PLAINS INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST BY NEXT MONDAY.  
 
TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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