688  
FXUS02 KWBC 081900  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
159 PM EST WED NOV 08 2023  
 
VALID 12Z SAT NOV 11 2023 - 12Z WED NOV 15 2023  
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
GUIDANCE GENERALLY SHOWS THE UPPER PATTERN TRANSITIONING FROM  
FAIRLY LOW AMPLITUDE MEAN FLOW WITH PROGRESSIVE SHORTWAVES TOWARD  
A MORE AMPLIFIED REGIME CONSISTING OF A DEEP EASTERN PACIFIC  
TROUGH, A BROAD RIDGE ALIGNED OVER THE CENTRAL U.S., AND A TROUGH  
REACHING THE WESTERN ATLANTIC. THIS EVOLUTION WILL FAVOR DRY  
WEATHER OVER A MAJORITY OF THE LOWER 48 AND A TREND TO WELL ABOVE  
NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER THE NORTHERN TWO-THIRDS OF THE CENTRAL  
U.S. INTO MIDWEST. THE MOST LIKELY AREAS OF PRECIPITATION FOCUS  
DURING THE PERIOD WILL BE ALONG THE WEST COAST, WITH GRADUALLY  
INCREASING COVERAGE AND INTENSITY AHEAD OF THE AMPLIFYING PACIFIC  
TROUGH THAT SHOULD EVENTUALLY DIRECT AN ATMOSPHERIC RIVER INTO THE  
REGION, AND ACROSS THE SOUTHERN TIER/GULF COAST STATES WHERE  
MOISTURE SHOULD OVERRUN A SLOW-MOVING FRONT OVER THE GULF OF  
MEXICO. A SOUTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE/UPPER LOW EJECTING FROM  
NORTHWESTERN MEXICO AFTER SUNDAY SHOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THIS  
ACTIVITY. SOUTHERN TEXAS MAY SEE THE HIGHEST RAINFALL TOTALS  
DURING THE PERIOD BUT THERE IS STILL CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY WITH  
HOW MUCH RAIN FALLS ONSHORE VERSUS OFFSHORE AND HOW MUCH  
INSTABILITY WILL BE IN PLACE TO ENHANCE RAIN RATES. ALONG THE  
EASTERN SEABOARD, ONE OR MORE SHORTWAVES PUSHING THROUGH THE  
NORTHERN TIER OF THE COUNTRY THIS WEEKEND INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK AND  
FORMING THE MIDWEEK ATLANTIC TROUGH WILL LEAD TO COOLER THAN  
AVERAGE TEMPERATURES BEFORE A MODERATING TREND NEXT  
TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
OVER THE WEST COAST AND EASTERN PACIFIC, MODELS AND ENSEMBLES HAVE  
BEEN SHOWING A STRONG SIGNAL FOR AMPLIFIED TROUGHING TO DEVELOP  
WITH A CORRESPONDING INCREASE OF PRECIPITATION OVER THE WESTERN  
U.S. AND IN PARTICULAR CALIFORNIA TOWARD MIDWEEK. HOWEVER THERE  
HAS BEEN QUITE A BIT OF SPREAD AND RUN-TO-RUN VARIABILITY FOR  
DETAILS WITHIN THE OVERALL TROUGH, THUS LIMITING CONFIDENCE IN  
SPECIFICS OF PRECIPITATION TIMING/COVERAGE/AMOUNTS. IN GENERAL THE  
ECMWF AND SOME ECMWF ENSEMBLES HAVE BEEN FASTEST TO BRING LEADING  
HEIGHT FALLS INTO THE WEST, INCLUDING ONE SHORTWAVE WHICH THE 00Z  
ECMWF BRINGS INTO THE NORTHWEST AROUND LATE MONDAY-TUESDAY AND  
FARTHER SOUTH AHEAD OF THE LARGER SCALE TROUGH (AND IN PARTICULAR  
ITS OPENING UPPER LOW NEARING CALIFORNIA EARLY NEXT WEDNESDAY).  
RECENT SLOWER TREND FOR HEIGHT FALLS/QPF ARRIVAL AMONG CONSECUTIVE  
OPERATIONAL ECMWF RUNS, ALONG WITH THE MAJORITY OF  
GFS/GEFS/CMC/CMCENS GUIDANCE BEING SLOWER THAN THE ECMWF, WOULD  
ARGUE FOR SOME DEGREE OF COMPROMISE AT THE VERY LEAST.  
PREDICTABILITY TENDS TO DECREASE BY 6-7 DAYS OUT FOR DETAILS OF  
HOW EMBEDDED UPPER LOW(S) AND UPSTREAM ENERGY MAY ULTIMATELY  
INTERACT. A BLEND APPROACH BY THAT TIME DEPICTS THE BEST POTENTIAL  
(ON A RELATIVE BASIS) FOR AN EMBEDDED LOW TO BE OFFSHORE THE  
PACIFIC NORTHWEST. THE NEW 12Z ECMWF HAS TRENDED SLOWER WITH  
LEADING HEIGHT FALLS FOR BOTH ASPECTS OF THE FORECAST DESCRIBED  
ABOVE.  
 
THERE IS A MODERATE DEGREE OF SPREAD FOR DETAILS OF THE UPPER  
LOW/TROUGH EJECTING OUT OF NORTHWESTERN MEXICO AND INTO THE  
SOUTHERN PLAINS, WITH THE 00Z ECMWF/12Z UKMET LEANING ON THE  
FASTER SIDE RELATIVE TO THE GFS/12Z CMC. CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFICS  
WOULD TEND TO DECREASE AS THE FEATURE BECOMES EMBEDDED  
WITHIN/UNDERNEATH THE LARGER SCALE UPPER RIDGE BUILDING OVER THE  
CENTRAL U.S. THESE DIFFERENCES CONTRIBUTE TO EVEN MORE SPREAD FOR  
QPF DETAILS ACROSS THE FAR SOUTHERN TIER THAN WHAT MIGHT BE  
SUGGESTED BY THE COMPARISONS ALOFT. ECMWF RUNS HAVE BEEN  
PARTICULARLY HEAVY ALONG AND INLAND FROM THE GULF COAST WHILE THE  
GFS IS MOST SUPPRESSED WITH THE MOISTURE. THE CMC (HEAVIER OVER  
SOUTHERN TEXAS) AND UKMET (SOME ENHANCED TOTALS NEAR THE CENTRAL  
GULF COAST) OFFER VARYING INTERMEDIATE IDEAS.  
 
THE DETAILS CONTINUE TO BE VARIABLE FOR PIECES OF SHORTWAVE ENERGY  
TRACKING ACROSS THE NORTHERN TIER AND THEN REACHING INTO THE  
EASTERN U.S./WESTERN ATLANTIC. SPLIT FLOW OVER THE GREAT LAKES  
AROUND SUNDAY COMPLICATES MATTERS TOO, WITH VARIATIONS IN MODELS  
WITH WHERE THE TROUGHING FARTHER SOUTH IN THE MIDWEST SPLITS WITH  
RIDGING FARTHER NORTH INTO SOUTHERN CANADA. OPERATIONAL MODEL RUNS  
THROUGH THE 00Z/06Z CYCLES (USED FOR THE UPDATED FORECAST) PLUS  
THE NEW 12Z CYCLE SEEM TO BE WAFFLING WITH RESPECT TO OVERALL  
TROUGH AMPLITUDE NEAR THE EAST COAST, FAVORING A MULTI-MODEL AND  
EVENTUALLY MODEL/ENSEMBLE MEAN BLEND.  
 
THE WPC FORECAST CONTINUED THE APPROACH OF TRANSITIONING FROM A  
MULTI-MODEL DETERMINISTIC BLEND (06Z GFS AND 00Z ECMWF/CMC/UKMET)  
EARLY IN THE PERIOD TOWARD A MIX OF MODELS AND MEANS (06Z GEFS AND  
00Z ECENS) TO DOWNPLAY SOME OF THE LESS CONFIDENT INDIVIDUAL MODEL  
DIFFERENCES WHILE CAPTURING THE OVERALL PATTERN.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
MOISTURE OVERRUNNING THE COLD FRONT THAT IS FORECAST TO STALL OVER  
THE NORTHWESTERN GULF (BUT TRACK A BIT MORE PROGRESSIVELY THROUGH  
FLORIDA) WILL LEAD TO SOME RAIN ACROSS THE SOUTH-CENTRAL TO  
SOUTHEASTERN QUADRANT OF THE U.S. FOR THE WEEKEND INTO EARLY NEXT  
WEEK. THE HIGHEST RAINFALL TOTALS ARE LIKELY TO BE OVER SOUTHERN  
TEXAS NEAR A MEANDERING SURFACE LOW ALONG THE FRONT, WITH EASTERN  
PACIFIC AND GULF MOISTURE COMBINING. NOT MUCH INSTABILITY IS  
LIKELY TO BE IN PLACE SINCE THIS WILL BE AFTER THE FRONTAL  
PASSAGE, SO RAIN RATES SHOULD NOT BE TOO HIGH. THERE IS ALSO  
CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY WITH HOW MUCH RAIN SPREADS INLAND, WITH  
RAIN TOTALS MAXIMIZED OVER THE GULF. THUS THROUGH THE WEEKEND,  
THERE ARE NO FLASH FLOODING RISK AREAS DELINEATED IN THE EXCESSIVE  
RAINFALL OUTLOOK. INTO MONDAY AND BEYOND THOUGH, THERE MAY BE MORE  
SUPPORT FOR CONVECTION FROM TEXAS INTO THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI  
VALLEY AS MID-UPPER LEVEL ENERGY APPROACHES, BUT MODEL GUIDANCE  
CONTINUES TO DIVERGE SIGNIFICANTLY FOR SPECIFICS. THIS POTENTIAL  
RAINFALL EVENT WILL CONTINUE TO BE MONITORED.  
 
ROUNDS OF FRONTAL SYSTEMS AND SHORTWAVES PUSHING THROUGH THE  
NORTHWEST WILL MAINTAIN PRECIPITATION CHANCES ACROSS THE PACIFIC  
NORTHWEST AND THE NORTHERN ROCKIES OVER THE WEEKEND. MODERATE TO  
HEAVY AMOUNTS ARE LIKELY TO BE DIRECTED INTO THE NORTHERN PARTS OF  
THE OLYMPICS AND CASCADES, WITH LOWER ELEVATION RAIN AND HIGHER  
ELEVATION SNOW. STARTING MONDAY AND ESPECIALLY BY  
TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY, UPPER TROUGHING WILL DEEPEN OVER THE EASTERN  
PACIFIC AND DIRECT MOISTURE PLUMES/ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS INTO THE  
WEST, ESPECIALLY CALIFORNIA. EXPECT HEAVY LOWER ELEVATION RAIN AND  
HIGHER ELEVATION SNOW. WHILE CONFIDENCE IS SOMEWHAT ABOVE AVERAGE  
IN A PERIOD OF ENHANCED PRECIPITATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE OVERALL  
UPPER TROUGH, IT IS MUCH LOWER IN TERMS OF SPECIFICS (TIMING,  
COVERAGE, AMOUNTS OVER PARTICULAR LOCATIONS) DUE TO MODEL SPREAD  
AND VARIABILITY FOR INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS OF THE TROUGH.  
 
ON SATURDAY, MOST OF THE LOWER 48 WILL BE UNDER A POST-FRONTAL  
COOL HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEM, WITH TEMPERATURES NEAR TO BELOW  
AVERAGE. THE EXCEPTION WILL BE THE FLORIDA PENINSULA, WITH HIGHS  
WELL INTO THE 80S WHICH WILL ACTUALLY BE CLOSE TO DAILY RECORDS.  
TEMPERATURES OVER FLORIDA SHOULD GRADUALLY MODERATE TO NEAR NORMAL  
EARLY NEXT WEEK AS THE COLD FRONT PRESSES THROUGH. AS UPPER  
RIDGING BUILDS ACROSS THE NORTH-CENTRAL U.S. EARLY NEXT WEEK,  
ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES BY AROUND 10-20F WILL OVERSPREAD THE  
CENTRAL AND NORTHERN PLAINS INTO THE MIDWEST, WITH SOME ABOVE  
AVERAGE POCKETS EXTENDING BACK INTO THE GREAT BASIN AS WELL.  
MEANWHILE BELOW NORMAL HIGHS SHOULD LINGER IN THE SOUTH-CENTRAL  
U.S. WITH LOWER HEIGHTS OVERHEAD AND CLOUDS AND RAIN POSSIBLE, AND  
INTERESTINGLY LEAD TO SIMILAR HIGHS FROM TEXAS ALL THE WAY NORTH  
TO SOUTH DAKOTA OR SO (IN THE UPPER 50S AND 60S). NEAR TO COOLER  
THAN NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER THE EASTERN SEABOARD THIS WEEKEND  
SHOULD GRADUALLY MODERATE THROUGH THE EARLY PART OF NEXT WEEK.  
 
RAUSCH/TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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