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FXUS02 KWBC 090701  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
201 AM EST THU NOV 09 2023  
 
VALID 12Z SUN NOV 12 2023 - 12Z THU NOV 16 2023  
 
...MOISTURE DIRECTED INTO CALIFORNIA COULD LEAD TO HEAVY RAIN AND  
SNOW TUESDAY-THURSDAY...  
 
   
..OVERVIEW
 
 
GUIDANCE GENERALLY SHOWS THE UPPER PATTERN TRANSITIONING FROM  
FAIRLY LOW AMPLITUDE MEAN FLOW WITH PROGRESSIVE SHORTWAVES TOWARD  
A MORE AMPLIFIED REGIME CONSISTING OF A DEEP EASTERN PACIFIC  
TROUGH, A BROAD RIDGE ALIGNED OVER THE CENTRAL U.S., AND A TROUGH  
REACHING THE WESTERN ATLANTIC. THIS EVOLUTION WILL FAVOR DRY  
WEATHER OVER A MAJORITY OF THE LOWER 48 AND A TREND TO WELL ABOVE  
NORMAL TEMPERATURES OVER THE NORTHERN TWO-THIRDS OF THE CENTRAL  
U.S. INTO MIDWEST. THE MOST LIKELY AREAS OF PRECIPITATION FOCUS  
DURING THE PERIOD WILL BE ALONG THE WEST COAST, WITH GRADUALLY  
INCREASING COVERAGE AND INTENSITY AHEAD OF THE AMPLIFYING PACIFIC  
TROUGH THAT SHOULD EVENTUALLY DIRECT AN ATMOSPHERIC RIVER INTO  
CALIFORNIA IN PARTICULAR, AND ACROSS THE SOUTHERN TIER/GULF COAST  
STATES WHERE MOISTURE SHOULD OVERRUN A SLOW-MOVING FRONT OVER THE  
GULF OF MEXICO. A SOUTHERN STREAM SHORTWAVE/UPPER LOW EJECTING  
FROM NORTHWESTERN MEXICO AFTER SUNDAY SHOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THIS  
ACTIVITY. SOUTHERN TEXAS MAY SEE THE HIGHEST RAINFALL TOTALS WITH  
THIS, BUT THERE IS STILL CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY WITH HOW MUCH  
RAIN FALLS ONSHORE VERSUS OFFSHORE AND HOW MUCH INSTABILITY WILL  
BE IN PLACE TO ENHANCE RAIN RATES. ALONG THE EASTERN SEABOARD, ONE  
OR MORE SHORTWAVES PUSHING THROUGH THE NORTHERN TIER OF THE  
COUNTRY EARLY NEXT WEEK AND FORMING THE MIDWEEK ATLANTIC TROUGH  
WILL LEAD TO COOLER THAN AVERAGE TEMPERATURES BEFORE A MODERATING  
TREND AS THE WEEK PROGRESSES.  
 
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
AS THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD BEGINS SUNDAY, A SHORTWAVE MOVING  
THROUGH THE NORTHERN TIER SHOWS SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MODELS,  
MADE MORE COMPLEX BY SPLIT FLOW OVER THE GREAT LAKES AS THERE ARE  
VARIATIONS IN MODELS WITH WHERE THE TROUGHING FARTHER SOUTH IN THE  
MIDWEST SPLITS WITH RIDGING FARTHER NORTH INTO SOUTHERN CANADA.  
MOST MODELS SEEMED REASONABLY AGREEABLE WITH THIS FEATURE NOW,  
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE 12Z UKMET THAT INDICATED TROUGHING WHERE  
OTHER GUIDANCE SHOWS RIDGING. WHILE THIS WAS RELATIVELY MINOR,  
SINCE IT WAS AN OUT OF PHASE DIFFERENCE THAT COULD NOT BE BLENDED  
EASILY, DID LEAVE THE UKMET OUT OF THE MODEL BLEND FOR THIS  
REASON. RECENT MODEL CYCLES ARE BECOMING MORE AGREEABLE WITH THE  
TROUGH AMPLITUDE AND TIMING AS IT CROSSES THE EAST INTO THE  
ATLANTIC AS THE WEEK PROGRESSES, WHERE A DETERMINISTIC AND  
ENSEMBLE MODEL BLEND WORKED WELL.  
 
EARLY IN THE WEEK, SHORTWAVE ENERGY WILL BE LOCATED OVER NORTHERN  
MEXICO AND LIKELY TRACK NORTHEAST INTO THE SOUTHERN U.S. EMBEDDED  
SOUTH OF THE UPPER RIDGE BY TUESDAY-THURSDAY, WITH SOME QUESTIONS  
WITH THE TIMING/TRACK SPECIFICS AND WHEN THE FEATURE ERODES.  
RELATIVELY SMALL DIFFERENCES WERE SEEN WITH THE FEATURE INITIALLY  
ALOFT, BUT THESE DIFFERENCES CONTRIBUTE TO EVEN MORE SPREAD FOR  
QPF DETAILS ACROSS THE FAR SOUTHERN TIER THAN WHAT MIGHT BE  
SUGGESTED BY THE COMPARISONS ALOFT. ECMWF RUNS HAVE BEEN  
PARTICULARLY HEAVY ALONG AND INLAND FROM THE GULF COAST WHILE THE  
GFS IS MOST SUPPRESSED WITH THE MOISTURE, WITH THE CMC AND UKMET  
IN BETWEEN. BY MIDWEEK INTO THURSDAY, 12/18Z GFS RUNS HAD THE  
SHORTWAVE DISAPPEARING/ABSORBED WHILE THE NON-NCEP KEPT SOME  
SEMBLANCE OF IT. FAVORED THE LATTER AND FORTUNATELY THE 00Z GFS  
CAME IN WITH KEEPING THE FEATURE EXISTING LONGER.  
 
REGARDING THE LARGER-SCALE FLOW, FOR SEVERAL DAYS MODELS HAVE  
SHOWN THE HIGH LIKELIHOOD FOR AMPLIFIED TROUGHING TO DEVELOP OVER  
THE EASTERN PACIFIC AND AFFECT THE WEST COAST, WITH A  
CORRESPONDING INCREASE OF PRECIPITATION OVER THE WESTERN U.S. AND  
IN PARTICULAR CALIFORNIA TOWARD MIDWEEK. HOWEVER THERE HAS BEEN  
QUITE A BIT OF SPREAD AND RUN-TO-RUN VARIABILITY FOR DETAILS  
WITHIN THE OVERALL TROUGH, THUS LIMITING CONFIDENCE IN SPECIFICS  
OF PRECIPITATION TIMING/COVERAGE/AMOUNTS. THESE DETAILS INCLUDE  
THE DISTRIBUTION OF ENERGY WITHIN THE TROUGH AND POTENTIAL FOR  
UPPER LOW(S) FORMATION. BUT MODELS HAVE AT LEAST CONVERGED BETTER  
OVER THE PAST DAY OVERALL REGARDING THE AXIS OF THE TROUGH,  
INCLUDING THE ECMWF SUITE SLOWING SOMEWHAT TO BE MORE SIMILAR TO  
THE OTHER GUIDANCE, SO A BLEND OF THE DETERMINISTIC AND ENSEMBLE  
GUIDANCE SEEMED TO PROVIDE A GOOD MIDDLE GROUND SOLUTION FOR THE  
TROUGH AND THE DOWNSTREAM RIDGE. HOWEVER, THE NEWER 00Z GUIDANCE  
HAS OVERALL COME IN A LITTLE FASTER/FARTHER EAST WITH THE TROUGH  
THAN THE 12/18Z SUITE USED FOR THE FORECAST.  
 
THUS THE WPC FORECAST CONTINUED THE APPROACH OF TRANSITIONING FROM  
A MULTI-MODEL DETERMINISTIC BLEND (18Z GFS, 12Z ECMWF, AND 12Z  
CMC) EARLY IN THE PERIOD TOWARD A MIX OF MODELS AND MEANS (18Z  
GEFS AND 12Z ECENS) TO DOWNPLAY SOME OF THE LESS CONFIDENT  
INDIVIDUAL MODEL DIFFERENCES WHILE CAPTURING THE OVERALL PATTERN.  
 
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
MOISTURE OVERRUNNING THE COLD FRONT THAT IS FORECAST TO STALL OVER  
THE NORTHWESTERN GULF (BUT TRACK A BIT MORE PROGRESSIVELY THROUGH  
FLORIDA) WILL LEAD TO SOME RAIN ACROSS THE SOUTH-CENTRAL TO  
SOUTHEASTERN QUADRANT OF THE U.S. CONTINUING INTO THE FIRST HALF  
OF NEXT WEEK. THE HIGHEST RAINFALL TOTALS ARE LIKELY TO BE OVER  
SOUTHERN TEXAS AND PERHAPS SHIFTING INTO SOUTHERN LOUISIANA NEAR A  
MEANDERING SURFACE LOW ALONG THE FRONT, WITH EASTERN PACIFIC AND  
GULF MOISTURE COMBINING. NOT MUCH INSTABILITY WILL BE IN PLACE  
THROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK SINCE THE REGION WILL BE IN A POST-FRONTAL  
AIRMASS, SO RAIN RATES SHOULD NOT BE TOO HIGH. BY MONDAY THOUGH,  
THERE MAY BE MORE SUPPORT FOR CONVECTION FROM TEXAS INTO THE LOWER  
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY AS MID-UPPER LEVEL ENERGY APPROACHES AND  
POSSIBLY INCREASES INSTABILITY. BUT ON BOTH DAYS, THERE IS  
CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY WITH HOW MUCH RAIN SPREADS INLAND, WITH  
RAIN TOTALS MAXIMIZED OVER THE GULF. THUS THERE ARE NO FLASH  
FLOODING RISK AREAS DELINEATED IN THE EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK  
FOR SUNDAY AND MONDAY, BUT THIS POTENTIAL RAINFALL EVENT WILL  
CONTINUE TO BE MONITORED.  
 
ROUNDS OF FRONTAL SYSTEMS AND SHORTWAVES PUSHING THROUGH THE  
NORTHWEST WILL MAINTAIN PRECIPITATION CHANCES ACROSS THE PACIFIC  
NORTHWEST AND THE NORTHERN ROCKIES THROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK.  
MODERATE TO HEAVY AMOUNTS MAY BE DIRECTED INTO THE NORTHERN PARTS  
OF THE OLYMPICS AND CASCADES, WITH LOWER ELEVATION RAIN AND HIGHER  
ELEVATION SNOW. STARTING MONDAY AND ESPECIALLY BY  
TUESDAY-THURSDAY, UPPER TROUGHING WILL DEEPEN OVER THE EASTERN  
PACIFIC AND DIRECT MOISTURE PLUMES/ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS INTO THE  
WEST, ESPECIALLY CALIFORNIA. EXPECT HEAVY LOWER ELEVATION RAIN AND  
HIGHER ELEVATION SNOW. WHILE CONFIDENCE IS SOMEWHAT ABOVE AVERAGE  
IN A PERIOD OF ENHANCED PRECIPITATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE OVERALL  
UPPER TROUGH, IT IS MUCH LOWER IN TERMS OF SPECIFICS (TIMING,  
COVERAGE, AMOUNTS OVER PARTICULAR LOCATIONS) DUE TO MODEL SPREAD  
AND VARIABILITY FOR INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS OF THE TROUGH.  
 
ON SUNDAY, MUCH OF THE EAST WILL BE UNDER A POST-FRONTAL COOL HIGH  
PRESSURE SYSTEM, WITH TEMPERATURES NEAR TO BELOW AVERAGE, BUT  
WARMING CLOSER TO NORMAL TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY AND PERHAPS REACHING  
ABOVE NORMAL BY THURSDAY. THE EXCEPTION WILL BE THE FLORIDA  
PENINSULA, WITH HIGHS WELL INTO THE 80S ON SUNDAY MODERATING  
GRADUALLY CLOSER TO NORMAL AFTER THE COLD FRONT PRESSES THROUGH.  
AS UPPER RIDGING BUILDS ACROSS THE NORTH-CENTRAL U.S. EARLY NEXT  
WEEK, ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES BY AROUND 10-20F WILL OVERSPREAD  
THE CENTRAL AND NORTHERN PLAINS INTO THE MIDWEST, WITH ABOVE  
AVERAGE POCKETS EXTENDING BACK INTO THE GREAT BASIN AS WELL.  
MEANWHILE BELOW NORMAL HIGHS SHOULD LINGER IN THE SOUTH-CENTRAL  
U.S. WITH LOWER HEIGHTS OVERHEAD AND CLOUDS AND RAIN POSSIBLE, AND  
INTERESTINGLY LEAD TO THE WARMEST HIGHS (NEARING 70F) IN THE  
CENTRAL PLAINS RATHER THAN FARTHER SOUTH.  
 
TATE  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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