840  
FXUS02 KWBC 120724  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
223 AM EST SUN NOV 12 2023  
 
VALID 12Z WED NOV 15 2023 - 12Z SUN NOV 19 2023  
 
...HEAVY RAINFALL POTENTIAL FOR THE SOUTHEAST INTO  
WEDNESDAY/THURSDAY...  
...MOISTURE DIRECTED INTO CALIFORNIA COULD LEAD TO HEAVY RAIN AND  
SNOW INTO WEDNESDAY/THURSDAY...  
 
...PATTERN OVERVIEW AND GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY  
ASSESSMENT...  
 
THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD FROM MIDWEEK THROUGH NEXT WEEKEND FEATURES  
AN UPPER TROUGH MOVING THROUGH THE SOUTHEAST, WITH HEAVY RAINFALL  
POTENTIAL INTO THE SOUTHEAST/FLORIDA WEDNESDAY INTO THURSDAY. THIS  
MAY LEAD TO A POTENTIAL WESTERN ATLANTIC LOW TO LIFT NORTHWARD OFF  
THE EAST COAST HEADING INTO NEXT WEEKEND. MEANWHILE, EAST PACIFIC  
TROUGHING LOOKS TO SPLIT, WITH AN AMPLIFIED NORTHERN STREAM  
SHORTWAVE MOVING EASTWARD THROUGH THE FULL U.S. NORTHERN TIER,  
FROM AROUND THE NORTHWEST MIDWEEK TO THE NORTHEAST BY NEXT  
WEEKEND. MEANWHILE, A DUG/CLOSED SOUTHERN STREAM DEEP UPPER LOW  
LOOKS TO MEANDER OFF THE CALIFORNIA COAST UNTIL ABOUT FRIDAY,  
EVENTUALLY EJECTING INLAND OVER THE SOUTHWEST TO POSSIBLY THE  
SOUTHERN PLAINS NEXT WEEKEND.  
 
GUIDANCE FROM THE 18 UTC GFS/GEFS MEAN AND 12 UTC ECMWF/ECMWF  
ENSEMBLE MEAN SEEMS REASONABLY WELL CLUSTERED OVERALL WITH THE  
MAIN WEATHER FEATURES AND OVERALL PATTERN EVOLUTION FOR MUCH OF  
THE LOWER 48 AND IN LINE WITH WPC CONTINUITY OVERALL, ALBEIT WITH  
THESE MODELS SOMEWHAT LESS PROGRESSIVE WITH THE MAIN SOUTHERN  
STREAM FEATURES THAN THESE ENSEMBLE MEANS. THIS SEEMS MORE  
REASONABLE CONSIDERING LEAD-IN CLOSED/AMPLIFIED NATURE OF THE  
SEPARATED STREAM. IN THE NORTHERN STREAM THESE MODELS HAVE TRENDED  
LESS PROGRESSIVE THAN CONTINUITY AS WELL AS THE 12 UTC  
CANADIAN/UKMET AND NAEFS MEAN THAT COMBINES 12 UTC GEFS/CANADIAN  
ENSEMBLES. THESE TIMING DIFFERENCES SEEM MOST SENSITIVE TO THE  
ULTIMATE MID-LATER WEEK UPPER RIDGE AMPLITUDE UPSTREAM FROM THE  
GULF OF ALASKA INTO WESTERN CANADA THAT REMAINS LESS CERTAIN THAN  
AVERAGE. ACCORDINGLY, AN OVERALL COMPOSITE BLEND OF THE GFS/GEFS,  
ECMWF/ECMWF ENSEMBLES AND NAEFS SEEMED TO BEST CAPTURE FAVORABLE  
GUIDANCE TRENDS IN THE SOUTHERN STREAM AND ACCOUNTS IN PART FOR  
LINGERING TIMING UNCERTAINTIES IN NORTHERN STREAM FLOW, BUT WITH  
EMPHASIS ON A LESS PROGRESSIVE TREND. THE LATEST 00 UTC  
UKMET/CANADIAN HAVE NOW TRENDED SLOWER, BOLSTERING FORECAST  
CONFIDENCE GUIDANCE/WPC PROGS HAVE TRENDED IN SUPPORT OF  
DEVELOPING A BAHAMAS FRONTAL WAVE LATER THIS WEEK AS SUPPORTING  
ENERGIES SHIFT OUT FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO/SOUTHEAST, BUT  
SUBSEQUENT GUIDANCE SPREAD IS AMPLE. THE 12/00 UTC ECMWF RUNS HAVE  
THE STRONGEST LOW AND MOST WEEKEND INTERACTION NORTHWARD TO OFF  
NEW ENGLAND WHILE OTHERS ARE LESS DEFINED/MORE OFFSHORE, SENSITIVE  
TO NORTHERN STREAM TIMING/AMPLITUDE VARIANCE AND ANY PHASING  
POTENTIAL.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
THE SLOW AND STEADY PROGRESSION OF A LEADING/AMPLIFIED SOUTHERN  
STREAM UPPER TROUGH AND ASSOCIATED WAVY SURFACE FRONT HAS  
INCREASINGLY SHOWN A SIGNAL SUPPORTIVE OF LOWER LATITUDE/GULF OF  
MEXICO AND EASTERLY FETCH ATLANTIC MOISTURE INFLOW TO FUEL  
PROTRACTED RAINFALL POTENTIAL THROUGH THE SOUTHEAST/FLORIDA INTO  
WEDNESDAY/THURSDAY. THIS SOAKER MAY LEAD TO SOME COASTAL/LOCAL AND  
URBAN RUNOFF ISSUES GIVEN POTENTIAL FOR SEVERAL INCHES OF FRONTAL  
OVERRUNNING RAINS AND A THREAT FOR SOME HEAVIER LOCAL  
REPEAT/TRAINING DURATION AMOUNTS. ACCORDINGLY, WPC DAY 4/5  
EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK MARGINAL RISK AREAS CONTINUE ACROSS  
THESE AREAS.  
 
MEANWHILE UPSTREAM IN THE ACTIVE SOUTHERN STREAM BRANCH OF FLOW,  
RECENT GUIDANCE INDICATES THAT AMPLE UPPER TROUGH/CLOSED LOW  
DEVELOPMENT OVER THE EASTERN PACIFIC BY EARLY NEXT WEEK MAY PROVE  
SLOW TO WORK UNTIL LATE WEEK/NEXT WEEKEND INTO THE WEST  
COAST/CALIFORNIA IN SEPARATED FLOW. THERE HAS BEEN SOME RECENT  
TRENDS AWAY FROM WIDESPREAD IMPACTFUL RAINFALL AMOUNTS, BUT IT'S  
LIKELY THAT MOISTURE SHOULD SLOWLY SPREAD ORGANIZED AND  
PERIODICALLY MODERATE TO LOCALLY TERRAIN ENHANCED RAINS INTO THE  
CENTRAL TO SOUTH-CENTRAL CALIFORNIA COAST, AND INLAND MOUNTAIN  
SNOWS FOR THE SIERRAS WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. RAINFALL AMOUNTS  
HAVE INCREASED A BIT WITH THIS CYCLE AND FORECAST SPREAD DECREASES  
NOW DO SEEM JUST ENOUGH TO ADD WPC EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK  
MARGINAL RISK AREAS TO HIGHLIGHT FOR COASTAL TERRAIN AREAS FOR  
BOTH THE DAY 4/5 EROS. THIS ACTIVITY SHOULD LESSEN BUT SPREAD  
BROADLY INLAND OVER THE SOUTHWEST INTO NEXT WEEKEND AND BEFORE  
MODEST OVERSPREADING OF THE SOUTH-CENTRAL GREAT BASIN/ROCKIES TO  
INCLUDE SOME MOUNTAIN SNOWS. LATER WEEKEND INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK  
POTENTIAL SYSTEM GENESIS OVER THE SOUTHERN PLAINS MAY THEN LEAD TO  
AN EMERGING RAINFALL SHIELD WITH ADDED GULF OF MEXICO MOISTURE  
INFLOW.  
 
UPPER TROUGH AND SURFACE SYSTEM ENERGIES ARE EXPECTED TO WORK  
ACROSS THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST/NORTHWEST THROUGH THE NORTHERN  
ROCKIES AGAIN BY MIDWEEK AND THEN AGAIN NEXT WEEKEND TO SUPPORT  
MODEST TO TERRAIN ENHANCED MODERATE RAINS/SNOWS ACROSS THE REGION.  
DOWNSTREAM LATER WEEK NORTHERN STREAM ENERGY PROGRESSION ACROSS  
THE NORTH-CENTRAL U.S. WILL HAVE LIMITED MOISTURE TO TAP, BUT  
DYNAMICS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR AN UPTICK IN MOISTURE MAY SUPPORT  
MORE WIDESPREAD AND ENHANCED PRECIPITATION FROM THE EASTERN GREAT  
LAKES STATES THROUGH THE NORTHEAST NEXT WEEKEND, ESPECIALLY IN  
SOME GUIDANCE FOR EASTERN NEW ENGLAND IF ABLE TO TAP ANY SOUTHERN  
STREAM/COASTAL LOW MOISTURE.  
 
SCHICHTEL  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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