259  
FXUS02 KWBC 180700  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
159 AM EST SAT NOV 18 2023  
 
VALID 12Z TUE NOV 21 2023 - 12Z SAT NOV 25 2023  
   
..PATTERN OVERVIEW
 
 
CONFIDENCE IN VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE FORECAST HAS DECREASED  
DRAMATICALLY OVER THE PAST DAY AS GUIDANCE HAS DIVERGED FOR  
IMPORTANT DETAILS FROM EARLY IN THE FORECAST PERIOD THAT STARTS  
EARLY TUESDAY. THIS AFFECTS SPECIFICS OF A SYSTEM EXPECTED TO  
TRACK NORTHEASTWARD FROM THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY FROM TUESDAY  
ONWARD, SPREADING A BROAD AREA OF PRECIPITATION OVER THE EAST JUST  
AHEAD OF THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL TRAILING  
WAVINESS DUE TO ANY CENTRAL U.S. INTO NORTHWESTERN MEXICO TROUGH  
ENERGY THAT MAY HAPPEN TO CONSOLIDATE AND THEN EJECT  
EASTWARD/NORTHEASTWARD. FARTHER WEST, THERE IS LOOSE AGREEMENT  
AND CONTINUITY WITH A SHORTWAVE TROUGH REACHING THE WESTERN U.S.  
BY LATE WEEK BUT WITH DETAIL DIFFERENCES THAT AFFECT PRECIPITATION  
DISTRIBUTION AND AMOUNTS FROM THE WEST INTO THE PLAINS. BY THE  
END OF THE PERIOD NEXT SATURDAY, THE AVERAGE OF GUIDANCE SUGGESTS  
THAT THE COMBINATION OF THE WESTERN SHORTWAVE AND SOUTHERN  
CANADA/NORTHERN TIER U.S. FLOW SHOULD YIELD A MEAN TROUGH WITH AN  
AXIS EXTENDING SOUTHWESTWARD FROM THE NORTHERN PLAINS/UPPER  
MIDWEST. ASIDE FROM THE SOUTHERN TIER STAYING COOL, SYSTEM  
PROGRESSION WILL PROMOTE VARIABLE TEMPERATURES FROM TUESDAY INTO  
THANKSGIVING. THEN THE PATTERN SHOULD FAVOR COLDER TEMPERATURES  
SPREADING DOWN THROUGH THE CENTRAL U.S.  
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
IN THE PAST 24 HOURS THE MOST COMMON CHANGE IN THE GUIDANCE HAS  
BEEN TOWARD LESS PHASING BETWEEN NORTHERN STREAM FLOW AND THE  
TROUGH EXTENDING FROM THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY SOUTHWESTWARD AS OF  
EARLY TUESDAY. THIS HAS SHIFTED THE POTENTIAL RESULTING UPPER LOW  
FROM THE UPPER GREAT LAKES (OR EVEN UPPER MIDWEST PER THE 00Z/17  
GFS) WELL NORTHWARD, AT LEAST INTO NORTHERN ONTARIO, WHILE  
RESULTING IN WEAKER LOW PRESSURE OVER THE EASTERN U.S. IN A  
MAJORITY OF SOLUTIONS. LATEST RUNS HAVE OFFERED A HOST OF  
POSSIBILITIES FOR WHERE THIS WAVE COULD GO, FROM EASTWARD OFF THE  
MID-ATLANTIC COAST (12Z/18Z GFS) TO A NORTHEASTWARD TRACK THROUGH  
NEW ENGLAND. TO ADD SOME COMPLICATIONS BEHIND THIS SYSTEM, THE  
NEW 00Z GFS IS ON THE EXTREME SIDE OF GUIDANCE WITH HOW MUCH  
NORTHERN STREAM ENERGY IT DIGS INTO THE CENTRAL U.S., CREATING A  
SECOND STRENGTHENING SURFACE SYSTEM, WHILE OTHER RUNS HAVE TRIED  
CONSOLIDATING ENERGY IN THE NORTHWESTERN MEXICO PART OF THE  
INITIAL UPPER TROUGH AND THEN EJECTING IT, LEADING TO YET ANOTHER  
POSSIBLE SOURCE OF SURFACE WAVE/QPF FORCING. MEANWHILE THE  
DETAILS CONTINUE TO VARY FOR THE UPPER TROUGH MOVING INTO THE  
WEST, WITH MINIMAL CONFIDENCE IN ANY SPECIFIC SOLUTION BY LATE IN  
THE PERIOD. THIS LACK OF CONFIDENCE APPLIES TO THE SURFACE  
PATTERN FARTHER EAST, WITH CONSECUTIVE OPERATIONAL RUNS VARYING  
CONSIDERABLY BY NEXT SATURDAY.  
 
THE PRONOUNCED MODEL SPREAD AND VARIABILITY SEEN THROUGH THE  
PERIOD FAVORED A CONSERVATIVE FORECAST APPROACH CLOSEST TO  
CONTINUITY WHILE ASSESSING HOW GUIDANCE MAY TRY TO GRAVITATE  
TOWARD ANY OF THE ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS CURRENTLY OFFERED. THIS LED  
TO STARTING THE UPDATED FORECAST WITH A BLEND OF THE PAST TWO  
ECMWF RUNS THROUGH THE 12Z/17 RUN AND 18Z GEFS MEAN PLUS 12Z  
ECENS/CMCENS MEANS.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
IN SPITE OF UNCERTAINTY WITH SPECIFICS, CONTINUE TO EXPECT A BROAD  
AREA OF PRECIPITATION TO AFFECT THE EASTERN U.S. TUESDAY INTO  
WEDNESDAY WITH SOME POSSIBLE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON HOLIDAY TRAVEL.  
DURING THE PERIOD COVERED BY THE DAYS 4-5 EXCESSIVE RAINFALL  
OUTLOOKS (TUESDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT), THE BEST POTENTIAL FOR  
HEAVIEST RAINFALL SHOULD EXTEND FROM NEAR THE CENTRAL GULF COAST  
NORTHEASTWARD THROUGH THE MID-ATLANTIC AND PARTS OF  
SOUTHERN/EASTERN NEW ENGLAND. THE NEW DAY 4 OUTLOOK MAINTAINS THE  
PRIOR MARGINAL RISK, WITH A MODEST SOUTHWESTWARD EXTENSION INTO  
SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI BASED ON LATEST GUIDANCE SUGGESTING INCREASED  
POTENTIAL FOR AN AXIS OF HEAVY RAIN TO EXTEND INTO THAT AREA.  
INITIALLY DRY SOIL CONDITIONS SHOULD TEMPER RUNOFF ISSUES SOMEWHAT  
WITHIN MOST OF THE MARGINAL RISK AREA, BUT STILL EXPECT SOME  
LOCATIONS WHERE DRAINAGE IS IMPAIRED (DUE TO  
URBANIZATION/LEAVES/ETC) TO HAVE SOME SENSITIVITY TO PERIODS OF  
HEAVIER RAIN. THE DAY 5 OUTLOOK INTRODUCES A MARGINAL RISK AREA  
OVER EASTERN NEW ENGLAND, WITH THE MOST LIKELY FORECAST SCENARIO  
HAVING A FRONTAL WAVE PROMOTING A PERIOD OF STRONG ONSHORE FLOW  
AHEAD OF IT TO ENHANCE RAINFALL TOTALS. AS WITH AREAS TO THE  
SOUTH THE PRIOR DAY, RELATIVELY DRY GROUND CONDITIONS MAY HELP TO  
MITIGATE RUNOFF ISSUES TO SOME DEGREE BUT LOCALIZED SENSITIVITY  
MAY STILL EXIST.  
 
ELSEWHERE, SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE OVER PARTS OF INTERIOR NEW  
ENGLAND AT THE START OF THE TUESDAY-WEDNESDAY EVENT. A PERIOD OF  
LAKE EFFECT SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE AFTER SYSTEM PASSAGE, WITH  
DURATION AND TOTALS DEPENDENT ON HOW QUICKLY THE SYSTEMS LIFTS  
AWAY. WINDS SHOULD BE BRISK BEHIND THE SYSTEM BUT NOT AS STRONG  
AS THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BASED ON SOME EARLIER FORECASTS OF A  
STRONGER GREAT LAKES INTO CANADA STORM. WITH VERY UNCERTAIN  
DETAILS, ONE OR MORE WAVES COULD PRODUCE ADDITIONAL AREAS OF  
RAINFALL ACROSS THE SOUTHERN/EASTERN U.S. AFTER MIDWEEK. OVER THE  
WEST, A SYSTEM MOVING INTO THE REGION LATE IN THE WEEK MAY BRING  
MOSTLY LIGHT TOTALS ACROSS NORTHERN AREAS, POSSIBLY EXTENDING INTO  
THE PLAINS BY FRIDAY. THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL FOR LOCALLY HEAVIER  
SNOWFALL IN PARTS OF THE NORTHERN ROCKIES AROUND THANKSGIVING, BUT  
STILL WITH A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE DETAILS.  
 
THE MOST PROMINENT TEMPERATURE ANOMALIES DURING THE PERIOD WILL BE  
WITH COLDER AIR DROPPING SOUTH THROUGH THE PLAINS/EASTERN SLOPES  
OF THE ROCKIES AROUND NEXT FRIDAY-SATURDAY, WITH AN EXPANDING AREA  
OF HIGHS 10-15F BELOW NORMAL. OTHERWISE, MODERATELY BELOW NORMAL  
READINGS WILL PROGRESS EASTWARD THROUGH THE SOUTHERN TIER AND  
EASTERN U.S. FROM TUESDAY INTO THANKSGIVING, WHILE AN INITIAL  
UPPER RIDGE OVER THE WEST WILL SUPPORT ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES  
INTO MIDWEEK BEFORE A GRADUAL COOLING TREND.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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