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FXUS02 KWBC 201859  
PMDEPD  
 
EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NWS WEATHER PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD  
158 PM EST MON NOV 20 2023  
 
VALID 12Z THU NOV 23 2023 - 12Z MON NOV 27 2023  
 
19Z UPDATE: OVERALL FORECAST CONFIDENCE HAS BEEN BELOW AVERAGE  
WITH THE POTENTIAL LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM NEAR THE SOUTHEAST U.S. TO  
CLOSE OUT THE WEEK. THERE HAS BEEN POOR MODEL RUN-TO-RUN  
CONTINUITY OVER THE PAST FEW CYCLES WITH THE INTENSITY AND DEGREE  
OF NORTHWESTERN EXTENT, AND THUS THE RESULTING RAINFALL. COMPARED  
TO LAST NIGHT, THE LATEST GUIDANCE SUGGESTS A MORE SUPPRESSED AND  
WEAKER LOW, WITH QPF NOW CONFINED CLOSER TO THE COAST. THE  
INCOMING SOUTHERN STREAM UPPER TROUGH FROM NORTHERN MEXICO HAS  
ALSO TRENDED WEAKER AND THEREFORE THE SURFACE EVOLUTION AS WELL.  
THE 00Z CMC WAS STILL A STRONG OUTLIER AT THE TIME OF  
FRONTS/PRESSURES COMPILATION, BUT ITS 12Z RUN HAS ALSO TRENDED  
WEAKER OVERALL. THE 00Z CMC WAS ALSO OUT OF ALIGNMENT WITH THE  
ORIENTATION OF THE UPPER TROUGH OVER CENTRAL CANADA AND THE GREAT  
LAKES BY NEXT WEEKEND, AND THEREFORE THE FRONTS/PRESSURES FORECAST  
USED A NON-00Z CMC BLEND (THE 12Z CMC HANDLES THIS FEATURE  
BETTER). ELSEWHERE, THERE IS A SLIGHTLY SLOWER TREND WITH THE  
DEPARTING LOW OFF THE NEW ENGLAND COAST ON THURSDAY COMPARED TO  
THE PREVIOUS FORECAST, AND THE ARRIVAL OF THE NEXT COLD FRONT  
ACROSS THE DAKOTAS HAS TRENDED SLIGHTLY FASTER. INCORPORATION OF  
THE ENSEMBLE MEANS WAS GRADUALLY INCREASED EACH TODAY TO ABOUT 50%  
BY NEXT MONDAY. NO EXCESSIVE RAINFALL AREAS ARE WARRANTED IN THE  
UPDATED OUTLOOK. THE PREVIOUS FORECAST DISCUSSION IS APPENDED  
BELOW FOR REFERENCE. /HAMRICK  
 
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..PATTERN OVERVIEW
 
 
MOST GUIDANCE OFFERS FAIRLY SIMILAR IDEAS FOR THE LARGE SCALE  
PATTERN, WITH A MEAN RIDGE OVER THE EASTERN PACIFIC INTO  
NORTHWESTERN NORTH AMERICA WHILE A DEEP UPPER LOW OVER OR NEAR  
HUDSON BAY ANCHORS A BROAD MEAN TROUGH COVERING MUCH OF CANADA  
INTO AT LEAST THE NORTHERN PART OF THE LOWER 48. POSITIVELY  
TILTED MEAN TROUGHING SHOULD ALSO EXTEND OVER THE WESTERN U.S., AS  
FAVORED BY TELECONNECTIONS WITH THE UPSTREAM RIDGE. THIS REGIME  
WILL LIKELY BRING BELOW NORMAL HIGH TEMPERATURES ACROSS A MAJORITY  
OF THE COUNTRY (AND COLDEST ANOMALIES TO THE CENTRAL U.S.) WITH AN  
AREA OF SNOW DROPPING SOUTHWARD OVER AND NEAR THE NORTHERN-CENTRAL  
ROCKIES AND HIGH PLAINS. HOWEVER THE FORECAST IS MUCH MORE  
UNCERTAIN REGARDING PRECIPITATION COVERAGE AND AMOUNTS ACROSS THE  
SOUTH AND EAST FROM THANKSGIVING INTO THE WEEKEND, CORRESPONDING  
TO SHORTWAVE DIFFERENCES THAT LEAD TO CONSIDERABLE DIFFERENCES FOR  
SURFACE EVOLUTION.  
   
..GUIDANCE EVALUATION/PREDICTABILITY ASSESSMENT
 
 
LEADING INTO THE START OF THE FORECAST PERIOD EARLY  
THANKSGIVING/THURSDAY, THE EXACT CHARACTER OF THE SYSTEM FORECAST  
TO BE OFF THE NEW ENGLAND COAST CONTINUES TO BE IN DOUBT. A  
NUMBER OF UKMET/GFS RUNS HAVE BEEN DEPICTING A DIFFERENT EVOLUTION  
OF SHORTWAVE ENERGY IN THE SHORT TERM VERSUS OTHER GUIDANCE,  
LEADING TO A SOMEWHAT SLOWER AND/OR STRONGER SURFACE LOW PRESSURE.  
THE 18Z GFS STILL HAD A VARIATION OF THIS LOWER CONFIDENCE DETAIL  
ALOFT BUT WAS CLOSER TO THE MAJORITY CLUSTER THAN MOST OTHER  
RECENT GFS RUNS. HOWEVER THE NEW 00Z ECMWF HAS SWITCHED TO  
SOLUTION CLOSER TO THE 00Z GFS, RAISING THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS  
ALTERNATE SCENARIO.  
 
BEHIND THIS SYSTEM, DIFFERENCES IN HOW AN UPPER LOW EJECTS FROM  
THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY PLUS VARYING INFLUENCE FROM NORTHERN TIER  
FLOW AND ENERGY EMERGING FROM THE WESTERN U.S. LEAD TO A WIDE  
VARIETY OF POSSIBILITIES FOR POTENTIAL LOW PRESSURE BETWEEN THE  
GULF OF MEXICO AND EAST COAST/WESTERN ATLANTIC. RECENT CMC RUNS  
HAVE BEEN THE MOST PRONOUNCED BUT ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THIS WAVE  
AND ITS FARTHER NORTHWESTWARD EXTENT OF MOISTURE WHILE ECMWF RUNS  
HAVE BEEN TRENDING STRONGER WITH AN EAST COAST TRACK BY SATURDAY.  
THE GFS HAS TAKEN LONGER TO START REFLECTING THIS WAVE AND THE 18Z  
RUN HAD ENDED UP JUST A LITTLE SLOWER THAN THE 12Z ECMWF. HOWEVER  
THE NEW 00Z GFS/ECMWF HAVE LOWERED HEIGHTS OVER NEW ENGLAND,  
SIGNIFICANTLY SUPPRESSING THE OVERALL SURFACE PATTERN. REFLECTING  
THE BROAD SPREAD AMONG INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS, THE ENSEMBLE MEANS LEAN  
WEAK AND OFFSHORE WITH WHAT SURFACE REFLECTION THERE MAY BE BY THE  
WEEKEND. TRENDS OBSERVED THROUGH THE 12Z/18Z CYCLES SEEMED TO  
FAVOR SOMEWHAT BETTER DEFINITION THAN THE MEANS BUT WITH WEAKER  
LOW PRESSURE THAN THE GFS/ECMWF/CMC WERE SHOWING. HOWEVER THE 00Z  
GFS/ECMWF ADJUSTMENTS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER WHAT LOW-MODERATE  
CONFIDENCE THERE HAD BEEN IN A CERTAIN EVOLUTION.  
 
MEANWHILE THE GUIDANCE IS GRADUALLY COMING INTO BETTER AGREEMENT  
FOR THE SHAPE OF WESTERN U.S. TROUGHING INTO LATE WEEK, WITH  
INCREASING SUGGESTION OF AN UPPER LOW BRIEFLY CLOSING OFF BY  
AROUND EARLY FRIDAY AND THEN OPENING UP AS SOME OF THE TROUGH  
ENERGY CONTINUES EASTWARD. TOWARD THE END OF THE PERIOD THE  
12Z/18Z GFS SHOWED WEAKER TROUGHING LEFT OVER THE WEST VERSUS MOST  
OTHER MODELS AND ENSEMBLE MEANS, WHILE THE 12Z CMC WAS A DEEP  
EXTREME WITH ITS UPPER LOW. 00Z RUNS OF BOTH THE GFS AND CMC  
FAVORABLY TRENDED CLOSER TO THE MEANS (AND TELECONNECTION-FAVORED  
PATTERN RELATIVE TO THE EAST PACIFIC RIDGE) BY THE START OF NEXT  
WEEK.  
 
CYCLONIC FLOW EXTENDING INTO THE NORTHERN TIER OF THE LOWER 48  
WILL LIKELY BRING AT LEAST ONE COLD FRONT INTO THE REGION BY  
SATURDAY-MONDAY. SPECIFICS WILL DEPEND ON LOWER PREDICTABILITY  
SHORTWAVE DETAILS, SO THE TIMING AND SOUTHWARD EXTENT OF THE  
FRONT(S) MAY VARY NOTICEABLY FROM RUN TO RUN.  
 
PREFERENCES TOWARD A MODERATE/INTERMEDIATE SOLUTION WHERE  
DIFFERENCES EXISTED LED USING 70 PERCENT TOTAL WEIGHT OF THE 18Z  
GFS/12Z ECMWF AND THE REST 18Z GEFS/12Z ECMWF MEANS FOR THE FIRST  
HALF OF THE PERIOD, FOLLOWED BY A RAPID TRANSITION TOWARD 50-60  
PERCENT ENSEMBLE WEIGHT BY DAYS 6-7 SUNDAY-MONDAY.  
   
..WEATHER/HAZARDS HIGHLIGHTS
 
 
THE RELATIVELY MORE CONFIDENT PART OF THE FORECAST IS FOR AN AREA  
OF SNOW TO DROP SOUTHWARD OVER THE NORTHERN-CENTRAL ROCKIES AND  
HIGH PLAINS LATE THIS WEEK, WITH SOME LOCALLY ENHANCED TOTALS  
POSSIBLE, INCLUDING SOME OF THE LOWER ELEVATIONS IN EASTERN  
WYOMING. THEN THE SNOW SHOULD TREND LIGHTER AND MORE SCATTERED AS  
ENERGY WITHIN UPPER TROUGH (WITH POSSIBLE EMBEDDED LOW) PROGRESSES  
ONWARD. ON THE OTHER HAND, CONFIDENCE IS QUITE LOW FOR THE  
COVERAGE AND AMOUNTS OF PRECIPITATION OVER THE SOUTH AND EAST FROM  
LATE THIS WEEK ONWARD. POSSIBILITIES RANGE BETWEEN A FAIRLY WET  
GULF/EAST COAST SURFACE SYSTEM WHICH COULD ALSO PRODUCE SNOW IN  
THE NORTHWESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE MOISTURE SHIELD, AND MUCH  
LIGHTER/SCATTERED PRECIPITATION ASIDE FROM WHAT ACTIVITY WOULD  
CROSS FLORIDA WITH A MORE SUPPRESSED SURFACE SYSTEM. CONTINUE TO  
MONITOR FORECASTS FOR LATEST TRENDS REGARDING THE SOUTHERN/EASTERN  
U.S. SURFACE PATTERN AND EXPECTED PRECIPITATION. THERE ARE NO  
EXCESSIVE RAINFALL AREAS CURRENTLY DEPICTED ON BOTH THE DAY 4 AND  
DAY 5 OUTLOOKS WITH NO STRONG SIGNALS FOR ANY INLAND HEAVY RAIN.  
 
EXPECT MOST OF THE COUNTRY TO SEE NEAR TO BELOW NORMAL HIGH  
TEMPERATURES FROM THANKSGIVING INTO THE START OF NEXT WEEK, WITH  
HIGHS UP TO 10-20F BELOW CLIMATOLOGY MOST LIKELY OVER THE  
CENTRAL-SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS FRIDAY THROUGH THE WEEKEND AND  
BECOMING MORE CONFINED TO THE SOUTHERN PLAINS BY MONDAY. THERE  
MAY BE SOME FROST/FREEZE CONDITIONS FOR PARTS OF TEXAS THAT HAVE  
NOT EXPERIENCED THIS YET SO FAR THIS SEASON. ALSO THE  
CENTRAL-WESTERN GULF COAST REGION MAY SEE HIGHS OF 10-15F BELOW  
NORMAL ON THANKSGIVING. ALSO, A COMBINATION OF MORNING LOWS AND  
BREEZY CONDITIONS MAY BRING NOTICEABLY COLD WIND CHILLS TO VALLEY  
LOCATIONS SUCH AS LAS VEGAS. ONE EXCEPTION TO THE CHILLY THEME  
MAY BE LOCATIONS ALONG THE CENTRAL-NORTHERN WEST COAST WHERE  
PACIFIC RIDGING ALOFT COULD BE JUST CLOSE ENOUGH TO KEEP HIGHS A  
LITTLE ABOVE NORMAL.  
 
RAUSCH  
 
ADDITIONAL 3-7 DAY HAZARD INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON THE WPC  
MEDIUM RANGE HAZARDS OUTLOOK CHART AT:  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/THREATS/THREATS.PHP  
 
WPC MEDIUM RANGE 500MB HEIGHTS, SURFACE SYSTEMS, WEATHER GRIDS,  
QUANTITATIVE PRECIPITATION FORECAST, EXCESSIVE RAINFALL OUTLOOK,  
WINTER WEATHER OUTLOOK PROBABILITIES, HEAT INDICES AND KEY  
MESSAGES ARE AT:  
 
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST500_WBG.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/MEDR/5DAYFCST_WBG_CONUS.GIF  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/5KM_GRIDS/5KM_GRIDSBODY.HTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/QPF/DAY4-7.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=ERO  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/WWD/PWPF_D47/PWPF_MEDR.PHP?DAY=4  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HEAT_INDEX.SHTML  
HTTPS://WWW.WPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/#PAGE=OVW  
 

 
 

 
 
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