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FXUS10 KWNH 141736  
PMDHMD  
 
MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION  
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD  
136 PM EDT THU AUG 14 2008  
 
VALID AUG 14/1200 UTC THRU AUG 18/0000 UTC  
 
MODEL INITIALIZATION...  
   
..SEE NOUS42 KWNO ADMNFD FOR STATUS OF UPPER AIR INGEST  
 
TROPICAL LOW MOVING THROUGH THE BAHAMAS SUNDAY...  
 
THE TROPICAL LOW IS NEAR THE SOUTHEAST EDGE OF THE MODEL  
DOMAIN...AND THE NOAA  
DROPSONDES RELEASED IN VICINITY OF THE LOW THIS MORNING WERE  
BEFORE NAM INITIALIZATION. THEREFORE...INITIALIZATION ERRORS COULD  
BECOME AN ISSUE. OTHERWISE...ANY  
INITIALIZATION ERRORS WITH THE NAM DO NOT APPEAR TO NEGATIVELY  
IMPACT ITS SHORT RANGE FORECAST.  
 
MODEL TRENDS...  
 
VIGOROUS SHORTWAVE TROUGH OFF THE NORTHEAST COAST...  
THE 12Z NAM IS A FEW MILLIBARS WEAKER WITH THE CENTRAL PRESSURE OF  
THE SURFACE LOW...  
AND SEVERAL HOURS FASTER THROUGH THE NEXT 24 HRS BEFORE LEAVING  
THE AREA. THE 12Z GFS HAS ALSO TRENDED SLIGHTLY FASTER WITH THE  
SURFACE LOW.  
 
SHORTWAVE TROUGH OVER THE NORTHERN GREAT LAKES...  
THE 12Z NAM HAS TRENDED SLOWER AFTER 16/12Z COMPARED TO THE NAM 12  
HRS PREVIOUS. THE 12Z GFS HAS TRENDED SLOWER WITH GREATER  
AMPLITUDE DEVELOPING AFTER 16/12Z.  
 
SHORTWAVE TROUGH EXTENDING ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST...  
THE NAM AND GFS SHOW GOOD RUN-TO-RUN CONTINUITY.  
 
TROPICAL LOW MOVING THROUGH THE BAHAMAS SUNDAY...  
THE 12Z NAM SHOWS GOOD OVERALL CONTINUITY WITH THE 00Z NAM.  
HOWEVER...THE LATEST NAM IS SLIGHTLY FARTHER NORTH WITH THE  
TROPICAL LOW AS IT MOVES THROUGH THE BAHAMAS. REFERENCE THE  
INITIALIZATION SECTION ABOVE FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE 12Z  
NAM. THE 12Z GFS HAS TRENDED SLIGHTLY FARTHER SOUTH BUT LIKE  
EARLIER RUNS MAINTAINS A WEAK CIRCULATION.  
 
COMPACT SHORTWAVE TROUGH OVER KANSAS...  
THE 12Z NAM/GFS ARE CONSIDERABLY STRONGER WITH THIS TROUGH WHILE  
PROGRESSING IT THROUGH THE SOUTHEAST ON FRIDAY. THE 00Z NAM/GFS  
DEPICTED A MUCH WEAKER SHORTWAVE TROUGH BY 14/12Z AND WEAKENED IT  
ENTIRELY BEFORE REACHING THE SOUTHEAST.  
 
UPPER LOW REACHING THE CENTRAL ROCKIES BY DAYS 2/3...  
THE NAM HAS TRENDED FARTHER SOUTH AND SLIGHTLY MORE COMPACT WITH  
THE LOW. THE 12Z GFS HAS GOOD CONTINUITY WITH ITS RUN 12 HRS  
PRIOR.  
 
HIGH AMPLITUDE TROUGH REACHING THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST DAYS 2/3...  
PHASE SPEED IS GOOD OVER THE LAST 12 HRS OF NAM RUNS.  
HOWEVER...THE 12Z NAM IS SLIGHTLY DEEPER WITH THE TROUGH BY DAY 3.  
THE 12Z GFS HAS GOOD CONTINUITY.  
 
...MODEL TREND GRAPHICS AT  
WWW.HPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/HTML/MODEL2.SHTML...  
 
MODEL DIFFERENCES AND PREFERENCES...  
 
VIGOROUS SHORTWAVE TROUGH OFF THE NORTHEAST COAST...  
THE 12Z DETERMINISTIC GUIDANCE HAS CLUSTERED AROUND A WEAKER AND  
FASTER SOLUTION THROUGH THE NEXT 24-36 HRS...WHICH HAS BEEN  
CONSISTENTLY DEPICTED BY THE GFS. GIVEN GOOD PERFORMANCE OF THE  
GFS...AND THAT THE GFS IS NEAR THE CENTER OF THE CURRENT GUIDANCE  
SPREAD...BELIEVE A GFS SOLUTION IS BEST.  
 
SHORTWAVE TROUGH OVER THE NORTHERN GREAT LAKES...  
MODEL SPREAD REMAINS SMALL THROUGH 15/12Z...BEFORE THE ECMWF  
BECOMES AN OUTLIER BY PROGRESSING THE TROUGH MORE RAPIDLY THAN  
OTHER GUIDANCE. PREFER A BLEND OF THE NAM/GFS...WHICH IS ALSO  
CONSISTENT WITH THE MODEL CHOICE FOR SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF AN  
AMPLIFYING TROUGH ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST BY DAY 3.  
 
SHORTWAVE TROUGH EXTENDING ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST...  
GOOD AGREEMENT EXISTS THAT THE TROUGH ACROSS GEORGIA/ALABAMA WILL  
PROGRESS QUICKLY OFFSHORE THROUGH THE NEXT 12-24 HRS.  
 
TROPICAL LOW MOVING THROUGH THE BAHAMAS SUNDAY...  
GUIDANCE SPREAD INCREASES CONSIDERABLY BY DAY 3 WITH THE TPC  
FORECAST LEFT OF THE NAM...AND CONSIDERABLY RIGHT OF THE  
CANADIAN/UKMET/ECWMF. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS CLOSE TO THE MEAN  
OF THESE SOLUTIONS...WHICH IS ALSO CLOSE TO THE GFS. ALTHOUGH THE  
GFS APPEARS TO UNDERESTIMATE ITS INTENSITY.  
 
COMPACT SHORTWAVE TROUGH OVER KANSAS...  
GIVEN THE MODEL TRENDS DESCRIBED ABOVE AND THEIR GOOD AGREEMENT  
WITH THE TROUGH'S PROGRESS THROUGH THE SOUTHEAST BY DAY 3...PREFER  
A BLEND OF THE NAM/GFS FOR THE GENERAL EVOLUTION OF THE TROUGH.  
HOWEVER..CONFIDENCE IS LOW IN THE GFS DEPICTION OF NUMEROUS QPF  
MAXIMA OVER PARTS OF THE HIGH PLAINS...SOUTHERN PLAINS...AND  
NORTHERN GULF COAST. OLDER MODEL GUIDANCE...INCLUDING THE 00Z  
ECMWF...HAS NOT PERFORMED WELL WITH THE HANDLING OF THIS TROUGH  
THROUGH 14/12Z...AND THUS THE ECMWF HAS NOT BEEN USED FOR THIS  
DISTURBANCE.  
 
UPPER LOW REACHING THE CENTRAL ROCKIES BY DAYS 2/3...  
THE NAM/GFS HAVE COME INTO AGREEMENT WITH THE CURRENT AND PREVIOUS  
ECWMF...WITH THE LOW DRIFTING INTO COLORADO BY DAYS 2/3.  
UNCERTAINTY INCREASES CONSIDERABLY BY 17/00Z...WHEN SEVERAL OF THE  
GFS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS HAVE THE LOW DRIFTING INTO KANSAS. GIVEN THAT  
SO FEW MEMBERS SHOW THIS EASTWARD PROGRESSION...BELIEVE MORE OF AN  
ECMWF AND ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEAN BLEND IS BEST.  
 
HIGH AMPLITUDE TROUGH REACHING THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST DAYS 2/3...  
THE ECMWF BECOMES AN OUTLIER BY 17/00Z WITH THE TROUGH ENTERING  
THE WEST COAST SLOWER AND STRONGER THAN OTHER GUIDANCE. PREFER A  
BLEND OF THE GFS WITH THE 00Z GFS ENSEMBLE MEAN THAT MAINTAIN A  
MORE PROGRESSIVE TROUGH AFFECTING THE WEST COAST...WHICH IS ALSO  
MORE IN LINE WITH THE NAM.  
 
500 MB FORECASTS AT  
WWW.HPC.NCEP.NOAA.GOV/H5PREF/H5PREF.SHTML...  
 
JAMES  
 
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