987  
FXUS62 KILM 100241  
AFDILM  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILMINGTON NC  
941 PM EST MON NOV 9 2009  
   
SYNOPSIS
 
 
HIGH PRESSURE WILL REMAIN WELL EAST OF THE MID-ATLANTIC COAST  
THROUGH WEDNESDAY AS TROPICAL STORM IDA WEAKENS ALONG THE EASTERN  
GULF COAST. MOISTURE FROM IDA IN COMBINATION WITH MOISTURE FROM THE  
ATLANTIC COULD BRING A SOAKING RAIN TO THE CAROLINAS TUESDAY THROUGH  
WEDNESDAY. A COLD FRONT WILL MOVE OFF THE COAST ON THURSDAY...WITH  
COOL AND BREEZY CONDITIONS EXPECTED THE LATTER HALF OF THE WEEK AS  
HIGH PRESSURE BUILDS IN FROM THE NORTH.  
 

 
   
NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 AM TUESDAY MORNING/
 
 
AS OF 9 PM MONDAY...HIGH PRESSURE NOW WELL EAST OF THE NORTH  
CAROLINA COAST WILL MOVE FARTHER OFFSHORE OVERNIGHT. WEAKENING  
TROPICAL STORM IDA IS APPROACHING A LANDFALL NEAR MOBILE BAY.  
NORTHEAST WINDS OVER THE EASTERN CAROLINAS ARE DUE TO THE LARGE  
OUTER ENVELOPE OF CYCLONIC FLOW AROUND IDA. ALTHOUGH SATELLITE SHOWS  
THICKENING OVERCAST OVER THE ENTIRE SOUTHEAST...RADAR COMPOSITES  
SHOW ONLY SCATTERED SHOWERS OVER THE COASTAL WATERS. ECHOES OBSERVED  
ON RADAR OVER THE WESTERN 2/3 OF THE CAROLINAS APPEAR TO BE VIRGA  
FROM MID-LEVEL CLOUDS.  
 
WEAK BUT INCREASING ISENTROPIC LIFT COULD ALLOW SOME OF THE ATLANTIC  
SHOWERS TO MAKE IT ONSHORE BY MIDNIGHT WITH A FEW HUNDREDTHS OF AN  
INCH IN SPOTS. FOR MOST AREAS RAINFALL AMOUNTS WILL REMAIN IN THE  
TRACE RANGE. THE BEST CHANCE FOR MEASURABLE RAINFALL WILL BE NEAR  
SOUTHPORT/BALD HEAD ISLAND OVER THE NEXT FEW HOURS...THEN SHIFTING  
TO THE GEORGETOWN VICINITY AFTER MIDNIGHT AS ADDITIONAL SHOWERS  
DEVELOP OFFSHORE.  
 
WE HAVE ADJUSTED LOW TEMPERATURES DOWN JUST SLIGHTLY ALONG THE COAST  
BUT AGREE WITH EARLIER FORECASTS THAT ARE WELL ABOVE BOTH NAM AND  
GFS MOS GUIDANCE. LOWS SHOULD ONLY REACH THE UPPER 50S INLAND AND  
LOWER 60S AT THE COAST.  
 

 
   
SHORT TERM /6 AM TUESDAY MORNING THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT/
 
 
AS OF 3 PM MONDAY...STILL A LOW-CONFIDENCE FORECAST AS THE NAM AND  
GFS CANNOT SEEM TO AGREE ON JUST HOW MUCH RAINFALL WE CAN EXPECT.  
PER NHC FORECAST IDA WILL DECAY JUST INLAND FROM THE GULF COAST  
TUESDAY INTO TUESDAY NIGHT...WHILE THE STRONG HIGH REMAINS PARKED  
OFF THE VIRGINIA CAPES. THE STRONG EASTERLY FLOW IN BETWEEN WILL  
FEED MOISTURE IN OFF THE ATLANTIC...BUT THEN WE SEE THE MODEL  
DIFFERENCES. NAM SUGGESTS WE WILL BE HARD PRESSED TO SEE AN INCH  
OF RAIN...AND INLAND LOCATIONS WOULD SEE A LOT LESS. GFS IS  
POINTING TO SEVERAL INCHES AS IT PHASES THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN  
STREAM AND DEVELOPS A NOR'EASTER OFF THE CAROLINA COAST.  
 
WILL GO WITH A WEAKER VERSION OF THE GFS SOLUTION...AND RAINFALL  
TOTALS IN THE 2-3 INCH BALLPARK. GIVEN LOW CONFIDENCE AND THAT THE  
RAIN SHOULD FALL OVER A ROUGHLY 36 HR TIME PERIOD...WILL NOT POST  
ANY FLOOD WATCHES AT THIS TIME.  
 

 
   
LONG TERM /THURSDAY THROUGH MONDAY/
 
 
AS OF 3 PM MONDAY...IT APPEARS THE ACTION WILL BE WINDING DOWN AS  
THE LONG TERM PERIOD BEGINS. FOLLOWING HPC GUIDANCE...STILL  
EXPECT SOME LIGHT RAIN AND OR DRIZZLE TO OCCUR MAINLY ALONG THE  
COAST THURSDAY VIA ISENTROPIC LIFT AS LOW PRESSURE IS SOMEWHERE  
OFF THE SOUTHEAST COAST AND HIGH PRESSURE IS ANCHORED OVER THE  
NORTHEAST. INCREASED THE POPS AND CLOUD COVER FOR THIS TIME. MODEL  
SOUNDINGS DRY OUT DRAMATICALLY LATE THURSDAY AND FRIDAY HOWEVER  
MOISTURE IN THE FORM OF LOW LEVEL STRATUS MAY CONTINUE TO PLAGUE  
THE AREA THROUGH FRIDAY AND MAYBE INTO THE DAY SATURDAY. CONTINUED  
TO TREND DOWN SKY COVER FOR SATURDAY BUT CONFIDENCE IS LOW. SUNDAY  
AND MONDAY SHOULD SEE A DRIER SOUTHWEST FLOW DEVELOP AHEAD OF THE  
NEXT SYSTEM WHICH GIVES A BETTER SHOT AT MORE SUNSHINE. TRIMMED  
BACK HIGHS THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND INCREASED MINS SLIGHTLY  
CONSIDERING ALL THE MOISTURE.  
 

 
   
AVIATION /00Z TUESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY/
 
 
THE MAIN FEATURES AFFECTING THE TAF SITES ARE HIGH PRESSURE ABOUT  
300 NM EAST OF NORFOLK VIRGINIA AND TROPICAL STORM IDA ABOUT 120 NM  
SOUTH OF MOBILE BAY ALABAMA IN THE GULF OF MEXICO. IN BETWEEN AN  
EASTERLY GRADIENT IS IN PLACE.  
 
HIGH OVERCAST TO START THE PERIOD FOR ALL TERMINALS...VFR. LOW LEVEL  
EASTERLY FLOW WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR STRATOCUMULUS MOVING INTO THE  
TERMINAL AREA LATER THIS EVENING. VFR OVERNIGHT FOR ALL  
TERMINALS...INLAND SITES WILL EXPERIENCE MVFR IN FOG IN THE EARLY  
HOURS BEFORE SUNRISE.  
 
AS IDA BOUNCES ALONG THE GULF COAST STATES CU AND STRATOCU CIGS FORM  
ACROSS ALL TERMINALS FIRST AT INLAND TERMINALS BY 13Z...BY 17Z AT  
COASTAL SITES. SCATTERED SHOWERS ACCOMPANY THESE CEILINGS. WIND TO  
REMAIN EASTERLY AROUND 8 TO 10 KNOTS FOR THE PERIOD.  
 
EXTENDED OUTLOOK...CHANCE OF IFR LATE TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY WITH  
RAIN AND FOG.  
 

 
   
MARINE
 
 
NEAR TERM /THROUGH TONIGHT/...  
AS OF 9 PM MONDAY...AFTER THE COASTAL TROUGH APPARENTLY MOVED INLAND  
EARLIER TODAY...WIND DIRECTIONS HAVE BACKED AROUND TO THE NE OVER  
THE COASTAL WATERS IMPLYING THE TROUGH HAS REDEVELOPED OFFSHORE.  
EVEN AT FRYING PAN SHOALS WINDS ARE NE CURRENTLY. WAVES OF MAINLY  
LIGHT SHOWERS ARE DEVELOPING OVER THE WATERS 40-60 MILES FROM SHORE  
AND MOVING WEST AT 10-15 MPH. THESE WILL LIKELY CONTINUE THROUGH THE  
NIGHT.  
 
HIGH PRESSURE IS CENTERED ~600 MILES EAST OF THE OUTER BANKS AND IS  
CONTINUING TO MOVE AWAY. TROPICAL STORM IDA IS WEAKENING IN THE  
NORTHERN GULF AS IT APPROACHES A LANDFALL NEAR MOBILE BAY. THE  
PRESSURE GRADIENT BETWEEN THESE TWO SYSTEMS IS PRODUCING 10-15 KT  
WINDS AND LITTLE CHANGE IS EXPECTED OVERNIGHT. THE ONSHORE FETCH IS  
LEADING TO SLOWLY BUILDING SEAS: THE FRYING PAN SHOALS BUOY REPORTED  
4.6 FT SEAS AT 9 PM. SEAS OVER THE COASTAL WATERS WITHIN 20 MILES  
SHOULD BUILD FROM THE CURRENT 3 FT TO 4 FT BY DAYBREAK...WITH  
FURTHER LARGE INCREASES EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT 24-48 HOURS.  
 
SHORT TERM /TUESDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT/...  
AS OF 3 PM MONDAY...HAVE GENERALLY SLOWED DOWN THE TIMING FROM THE  
PREVIOUS FORECAST...AS WE ARE NOT JUMPING ON THE BULLISH GFS  
SOLUTION. STILL THE PERSISTENT EASTERLY FETCH SHOULD GIVE US  
MARGINAL SCA SEAS BY THE END OF THE DAY ON TUESDAY. BASED ON SCA  
ALREADY FLYING AND WANTING TO HAVE A SLIGHT BUFFER...WILL TWEAK  
THE START TIME TO TUESDAY AFTERNOON AND CARRY THE ADVISORY OUT TO  
THE END OF 4TH PERIOD...00Z THURSDAY. CONDITIONS WILL STILL BE  
QUITE FRISKY...SO THIS WILL LIKELY BE EXTENDED.  
 
WIND FORECAST REMAINS WELL SHORT OF THE GALES ADVERTISED BY  
GFS...BASICALLY A SOLID 25 KT WITH 8 FOOTERS MAKING IT WITHIN 20NM  
BY WEDNESDAY EVENING.  
 
LONG TERM /THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY/...  
AS OF 3 PM MONDAY...GRADIENT WILL REMAIN IN PLACE THROUGH FRIDAY AS  
LOW PRESSURE WILL BE TRUDGING OFF TO THE EAST OFF THE SOUTHEAST  
COAST AND HIGH PRESSURE REMAINS ENTRENCHED ACROSS THE NORTHEAST.  
FLAG CONDITIONS WILL CERTAINLY CONTINUE THROUGH THIS TIME. GRADIENT  
FINALLY BREAKS DOWN ENOUGH LATE FRIDAY INTO SATURDAY TO ALLOW THE NE  
WINDS TO DIP BELOW 25 KNOTS AND WIND DRIVEN SEAS TO DROP BELOW SIX  
FEET OTHER THAT THE OUTER MOST WATERS.  
 

 
   
ILM WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES
 
 
SC...NONE.  
NC...NONE.  
MARINE...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY FROM 1 PM TUESDAY TO 7 PM EST  
WEDNESDAY FOR AMZ250-252-254-256.  
 

 
 

 
 
NEAR TERM...TRA  
SHORT TERM...RAS  
LONG TERM...SHK  
AVIATION...MDC  
 
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