808  
FXUS63 KDTX 201945  
AFDDTX  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI  
345 PM EDT MON OCT 20 2025  
   
KEY MESSAGES  
 
- DRY AND SEASONABLE THROUGH THIS EVENING.  
 
- A BRIEF LINE OF SHOWERS IS EXPECTED LATE TONIGHT INTO EARLY  
TUESDAY MORNING.  
 
- NUMEROUS SHOWERS ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. ISOLATED  
STRONGER SHOWERS WILL BE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING GUSTY WINDS TO 40 MPH,  
SMALL HAIL, AND THUNDER.  
 
- OCCASIONAL SHOWERS TUESDAY NIGHT AND WEDNESDAY WITH MUCH COOLER  
CONDITIONS LASTING THROUGH THURSDAY.  
 
 
   
DISCUSSION  
 
CONDITIONS TODAY OFFER A BRIEF RESPITE FROM AN OTHERWISE ACTIVE  
PATTERN THAT WILL PERSIST THROUGH THE MIDDLE PART OF THE WEEK. THE  
SUNNY AND SEASONABLE WEATHER IS DRIVEN BY STABLE CONDITIONS BENEATH  
A COMPACT MID-LEVEL RIDGE SQUEEZED BETWEEN THE DEPARTING AMPLIFIED  
TROUGH OVER NEW ENGLAND AND THE NEXT INBOUND WAVE APPROACHING THE  
WESTERN GREAT LAKES. DRY AND PLEASANT WEATHER CARRIES THROUGH THE  
EVENING WITH TEMPS FALLING INTO THE 40S TONIGHT.  
 
A SHORTWAVE DROPPING OUT OF SOUTHERN MANITOBA IS BEGINNING A MERGER  
WITH THE MEAN TROUGHING TRACKING ACROSS THE UPPER MIDWEST THIS  
AFTERNOON. THIS WILL CAUSE THE ELONGATED ZONE OF LOWER MSLP IN THE  
VICINITY TO COALESCE INTO A DEEPENING LOW THAT REACHES WESTERN LAKE  
SUPERIOR AFTER MIDNIGHT. A PERIOD OF RELATIVELY BRIEF BUT FOCUSED  
ASCENT THEN SPREADS IN ACROSS THE LOWER PENINSULA ALONG THE CORRIDOR  
OF HEIGHT FALLS AND JET EXIT REGION DYNAMICS. THE WARM FRONT IS  
QUICKLY FOLLOWED BY THE COLD FRONT TUESDAY MORNING AS THE SYSTEM  
BEGINS OCCLUDING AND STALLS ACROSS THE NORTHERN GREAT LAKES. TIMING  
OF THE RESULTANT ARC OF SHOWERS HAS REMAINED STABLE IN THE PAST FEW  
MODEL CYCLES, ARRIVING IN WESTERN COUNTIES AROUND 3 AM AND DEPARTING  
THE THUMB AROUND 9 AM. BREEZY CONDITIONS TO AROUND 20 TO 25 MPH ARE  
POSSIBLE OVERNIGHT, BUT MOST OF THE MOMENTUM FROM THE 40+ KT LLJ  
WILL BE INACCESSIBLE TO THE SURFACE LAYER DUE TO STRONG STABILITY  
WITHIN THE WARM ADVECTION.  
 
POST-FRONTAL COLD ADVECTION ENSUES ACROSS THE AREA TUESDAY MORNING  
AS THE SHOWERS DEPART. THIS TAPS INTO STILL ENERGETIC FLOW (25 TO 30  
KT AT 850MB) TO PRODUCE 25 TO 30 MPH GUSTS DURING THE DAYTIME  
TUESDAY. SOME AREAS OF THE THUMB COULD SEE HIGHER GUSTS CLOSER TO 35  
MPH. SUBSIDENCE BEHIND THE COLD FRONT INITIALLY KEEPS THE AREA DRY  
MIDDAY, BUT INCREASING MOISTURE FLUX AND INSTABILITY WITHIN BROAD  
CYCLONIC FLOW AROUND THE LOW WILL RESULT IN AN INCREASING COVERAGE  
OF SHOWERS THROUGH THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. STEEP LAPSE RATES WILL  
DEVELOP AS 500MB TEMP CRASHES TO BELOW -25C. THIS WITH FALLING  
FREEZING LEVELS WILL BRING THE POTENTIAL FOR BRIEF BOUTS OF GRAUPEL,  
LOCALLY HIGHER GUSTS TO 40+ MPH, AND/OR THUNDER WITHIN ANY STRONGER  
CONVECTIVE ELEMENTS. COVERAGE OF CONVECTION PEAKS LATE AFTERNOON TO  
EARLY EVENING COINCIDENT WITH A SHORTWAVE PASSING OVERHEAD, THEN  
SHOWERS BECOME MORE SCATTERED LATE EVENING INTO THE OVERNIGHT.  
MEANWHILE, TEMPS WILL PLUMMET FROM THE UPPER 50S INTO THE 40S WITH  
THE LOSS OF DAYLIGHT.  
 
THE STALLED LOW PRESSURE OVER LAKE SUPERIOR RELEASES SOUTH INTO  
NORTHERN LOWER MI WEDNESDAY MORNING, DRAGGING IN A REINFORCING SHOT  
OF COOL AIR AND DEEP-LAYER MOISTURE. THIS PAIRED WITH DIURNAL  
INSTABILITY SUSTAINS SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS COVERAGE OF SHOWERS  
THROUGH WEDNESDAY. THE DEGREE OF AMBIENT GUSTINESS CARRIES A BIT OF  
UNCERTAINTY DEPENDENT ON THE STRENGTH AND PROXIMITY OF THE LOW, BUT  
WILL CONTINUE TO ADVERTISE DAYTIME GUST OF 25 TO 30 MPH. WILL NOTE  
THAT LAPSE RATES ARE CURRENTLY PROJECTED TO BE WEAKER THAN TUESDAY  
WHICH OFFERS LOWER CONFIDENCE ON ANY MORE VIGOROUS CONVECTION.  
 
BROAD UPPER LOW PRESSURE REMAINS STALLED OVER THE NORTHERN GREAT  
LAKES INTO THURSDAY WITH ANOTHER LOBE OF VORTICITY OFFERING  
ADDITIONAL SCATTERED LIGHT SHOWERS. THE 850MB THERMAL TROUGH BOTTOMS  
OUT IN THE SINGLE DIGITS BELOW 0 C AND HOLDS TEMPS SOME 10 DEGREES  
BELOW NORMAL ANOTHER DAY. THE BULK OF SOLUTIONS ACROSS THE ENSEMBLE  
SPACE THEN ALLOW THE UPPER TROUGH TO RELEASE EAST BY THE END OF THE  
WEEK TO FAVOR LOWER PRECIP CHANCES, BUT JET PLACEMENT OVERHEAD AND  
SEVERAL SMALLER SCALE WAVES EVIDENT IN MEDIUM RANGE GUIDANCE  
PRECLUDE A COMPLETELY DRY FORECAST AT THIS STAGE.  
 
 
   
MARINE  
 
INCREASING SOUTHWEST WINDS TONIGHT AS A LARGE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM  
CENTERED OVER MINNESOTA TRACKS INTO LAKE SUPERIOR TOMORROW. WIND  
GUSTS TO 25 KNOTS APPEAR LIKELY FOR ALL NEARSHORE WATERS, AND HAVE  
ISSUED SMALL CRAFT ADVISORIES FOR LAKE ST. CLAIR AND LAKE ERIE  
TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY NIGHT. AS MUCH OLDER AIR FILTERS IN  
TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY, WIND GUSTS OVER LAKE ST. CLAIR AND LAKE ERIE  
ACTUALLY LOOK STRONGER ON WEDNESDAY AS 850 MB TEMPS REACH AT OR  
SLIGHTLY BELOW FREEZING. FORECASTED SOUNDINGS INDICATING THE TOP OF  
THE BOUNDARY LAYER EVEN TAPPING INTO GALES. HOWEVER, ONLY EXPECTING  
WIND GUSTS OF 25-30 KNOTS TO BE REALIZED NEAR THE WATER SURFACE.  
WITH THE WEAKENING SURFACE LOW TRACKING THROUGH NORTHERN LAKE HURON  
ON WEDNESDAY, THERE IS LESS OF A PRESSURE GRADIENT FOR SOUTHERN LAKE  
HURON, AND WIND GUSTS MAY JUST BRIEFLY TOUCH 30 KNOTS. EVEN WITH  
MOSTLY OFFSHORE FLOW, MAY HAVE JUST ENOUGH WAVE ACTION TO GET TO 4  
FEET WITH THE UNSTABLE LOW LEVEL PROFILES AND HAVE EXTENDED THE  
SMALL CRAFT ADVISORIES FOR SOUTHERN LAKE HURON. A SECONDARY COLD  
FRONT SINKS SOUTH WEDNESDAY EVENING, AND 850 MB TEMPS DROP SOLIDLY  
INTO THE NEGATIVE LOW SINGLE NUMBERS, WITH WILL ASSURE WELL MIXED  
BOUNDARY LAYER AND WINDS LIKELY GUSTING 25-30 KNOTS OVER LAKE HURON  
OUT OF THE NORTHWEST THURSDAY AND THURSDAY NIGHT. SMALL CRAFT  
ADVISORIES WILL LIKELY NEED TO BE EXTENDED FURTHER. GRADUAL  
WEAKENING OF THE WINDS THURSDAY NIGHT AND ESPECIALLY ON FRIDAY AS  
HIGH PRESSURE ARRIVES.  
 
 
   
PREV DISCUSSION  
 
ISSUED AT 120 PM EDT MON OCT 20 2025  
 
AVIATION...  
 
MAINLY CLEAR SKIES - WITH A SMATTERING OF SHALLOW CUMULUS AND A  
FILAMENT OR TWO OF CIRRUS - WILL PREVAIL THROUGH THE BALANCE OF THE  
DAYLIGHT HOURS. WINDS WILL HAVE A MILD GUST COMPONENT THIS AFTERNOON  
- UNDER GOOD MIXING CONDITIONS. THE FLOW WILL QUICKLY QUELL OUT THIS  
EVENING AND BACK TO THE SOUTH. OTHERWISE, HIGH CLOUDS WILL  
OVERSPREAD THE REGION TONIGHT AS THE NEXT SYSTEM APPROACHES FROM THE  
WEST. THE ASSOCIATED WARM FRONT WILL SWING A BAND OF MVFR CLOUDS AND  
A RIBBON OF SHOWERS THROUGH THE LOCAL AIRSPACE IN THE PREDAWN HOURS  
TUESDAY. THERE WILL ALSO BE A WINDOW OF LOW-LEVEL WIND SHEAR IN THIS  
FRONTAL ZONE AS THE SOUTH/SOUTHWEST FLOW ALOFT QUICKLY RAMPS UP TO  
40 KNOTS IN THE LOWEST COUPLE THOUSAND FEET. THE MVFR CLOUDS WILL  
LINGER INTO THE MID/LATE MORNING BEFORE MIXING OUT WITH A FRESHENING  
WEST/SOUTHWEST FLOW - GUSTING TO AROUND 20 KNOTS. THE LOWER  
ATMOSPHERE WILL DESTABILIZE THROUGH THE AFTERNOON - ENOUGH TO  
SUPPORT SHOWERS AND A POSSIBLE THUNDERSTORM AS THE AFTERNOON HOURS  
WEAR ON.  
 
FOR DTW/D21 CONVECTION...THERE IS A SLIGHT CHANCE FOR A THUNDERSTORM  
LATE TUESDAY AFTERNOON - MAINLY AFTER 21Z.  
 
DTW THRESHOLD PROBABILITIES...  
 
* MEDIUM FOR CEILINGS AT OR BELOW 5000 FEET TUESDAY MORNING.  
 
* LOW FOR A THUNDERSTORM AFTER 21Z TUESDAY.  
 
 
   
DTX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES  
 
MI...NONE.  
LAKE HURON...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY FROM 2 AM TUESDAY TO 4 AM EDT THURSDAY FOR  
LHZ421-422-441>443.  
 
LAKE ST CLAIR...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY FROM 2 AM TUESDAY TO 4 AM EDT THURSDAY FOR  
LCZ460.  
 
MICHIGAN WATERS OF LAKE ERIE...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY FROM 2 AM TUESDAY TO 4 AM EDT THURSDAY FOR  
LEZ444.  
 
 
 
 
 
DISCUSSION...TF  
MARINE.......SF  
AVIATION.....MANN  
 
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