786  
FXUS64 KAMA 180423  
AFDAMA  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AMARILLO TX  
1023 PM CST SUN NOV 17 2024  
   
..NEW AVIATION
 
 
   
KEY MESSAGES
 
 
ISSUED AT 342 AM CST SUN NOV 17 2024  
 
HEAVY RAINFALL THAT COULD LEAD TO FLOODING WILL START THIS  
EVENING AND CONTINUE WELL INTO MONDAY.  
 
COLDER TEMPERATURES WILL OCCUR BEHIND A COLD FRONT TUESDAY INTO  
WEDNESDAY AND A WIDESPREAD FREEZE WILL OCCUR WEDNESDAY MORNING.  
 

 
   
SHORT TERM
 
 
(THIS EVENING THROUGH MONDAY NIGHT)  
ISSUED AT 245 PM CST SUN NOV 17 2024  
 
IMPRESSIVE MID-UPR LEVEL STORM SYSTEM HAS BOTTOMED OUT IN NRN  
MEXICO AND IS POISED TO MAKE ITS TURN NE BEFORE MAKING A BEELINE  
TO THE PANHANDLES. MODEL Q-VECTOR CONVERGENCE SHOWS BETTER LIFT  
ARRIVING AROUND 00 UTC MONDAY ACROSS THE WEST, BUT THE GREATEST  
LIFT ASSOCIATED WITH THE STORM WILL OCCUR BETWEEN 6 UTC AND 18  
UTC AND THIS IS WHEN MOST OF THE PRECIPITATION WILL OCCUR WITH  
THIS EVENT. MODELS HAVE COME INTO AGREEMENT WRT TRACK AND STRENGTH  
OF THE UPPER LOW (WHICH MEANS THE GFS HAD TO TREND BACK N/W TO  
THE MEAN SOLUTION).  
 
WITH MODEL SETTLING ON A FAVORABLE TRACK ACROSS THE AREA THAT  
MAXIMIZES LIFT AND MOISTURE TRANSPORT, QPF HAS INCREASED  
SLIGHTLY. THE NBM HAS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED PROBABILITY OF 3 OR  
MORE INCHES AND NOW SHOWS A 10 TO 50 PERCENT CHANCE OF OCCURRENCE  
EAST OF A LINE FROM FRIONA TO CANYON TO SPEARMAN TO BEAVER WITH  
HIGHEST PROBABILITIES ALONG AN AXIS FROM PAMPA TO CANADIAN AND  
HIGGINS. THAT SAID, THERE ARE STILL SOME SIGNIFICANT MODEL  
DIFFERENCES WRT WHERE THE HIGHEST RAINFALL WILL OCCUR. THIS SEEMS  
TO BE RELATED TO THE POSITION OF THE AREA OF H85 CONVERGENCE  
ASSOCIATED WITH STRONG FRONTOGENESIS THAT DEVELOPS AS THE LOW  
APPROACHES AS THIS FEATURE SEEMS ALIGNED WITH HIGHER QPF IN ALL  
MODELS. SO, THE MODELS MOST AGRESSIVE WITH PRODUCING HIGHER QPF  
FURTHER WEST, DO SO BECAUSE THEY REALLY PULL THIS FEATURE WELL  
WEST OF WHERE THE CURRENT FRONTAL BOUNDARY IS LOCATED ACROSS THE  
FAR SE TEXAS PANHANDLE AS THE LOW APPROACHES. THE STRONGEST LIFT  
ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOW BASED ON THE TRACK ACTUALLY IS ACROSS THE  
WEST WHICH BETTER ALIGNS THOSE FEATURES. MODELS IN THE FURTHER  
EAST CAMP WRT HIGHEST QPF ONLY SLIGHTLY PULL THIS FEATURE BACK TO  
THE NW AS THE LOW APPROACHES. THE ICON PROVIDES A 3RD SOLUTION  
WHICH CREATES 2 SEPARATE ZONES OF HIGHER QPF, ONE IN THE SE  
(FRONTOGENESIS AREA?) AND ONE ACROSS THE WEST (STRONGER LIFT?).  
THE CURRENT QPF FORECAST IS A COMPROMISE THAT IS IN GOOD AGREEMENT  
WITH THE AXIS OF HIGHEST 3" PROBABILITY.  
 
AS WE HAVE SEEN WITH THE PAST FEW SYSTEMS, THE RAIN RATES WILL  
NOT REACH LEVELS OF SPRING/SUMMER STORMS AND HREF PROBABILITIES  
OF SEEING RATES OF 1 INCH PER HOUR OR GREAT ARE ONLY 10-30  
PERCENT. THIS WILL HELP MITIGATE THE FLASH FLOOD THREAT SOME. THAT  
SAID, THE SHEAR VOLUME OF WATER HERE CAN BECOME A PROBLEM AND WE  
EXPECT STREAMS AND RIVERS TO SEE RISES AND THERE CERTAINLY COULD  
BE SOME FLOODING OF LOW LYING AREAS, COUNTY AND FARM ROADS, ETC.  
STREAMS, CREEKS AND RIVERS WILL ALSO SEE RISES AS ALL THIS WATER  
DRAINS OFF AND SEVERAL RIVER FORECASTS POINTS SHOULD AT LEAST  
REACH ACTION STAGE. BASED ON THE QPF TRENDS, WE HAVE ADDED RANDALL  
(MAINLY FOR THE FAR EASTERN/SOUTHERN AREAS), HUTCHINSON,  
OCHILTREE AND BEAVER COUNTIES TO THE FLOOD WATCH.  
 
GITTINGER  
 

 
   
LONG TERM
 
 
(TUESDAY THROUGH NEXT SATURDAY)  
ISSUED AT 245 PM CST SUN NOV 17 2024  
 
FEWER AND FEWER MODELS AND ENSEMBLE MEMBERS SHOWN A STRONG ENOUGH  
SECONDARY DISTURBANCE TUE/WED TO PRODUCE ANY SIGNIFICANT  
PRECIPITATION EARLY IN THE PERIOD (TUE/WED) AND NBM PROBABILITIES  
HAVE DROPPED TO AROUND 5%. IF ANYTHING, OPERATIONAL MODELS HAVE  
BACKED OFF SLIGHTLY ON THE COLD AIR BEHIND THE TUESDAY FRONT. H85  
TEMPS ARE NOW FORECAST BY ALL THE 12Z OPERATIONAL MODELS TO BE  
1-3 DEG C RATHER THAN BELOW FREEZING. THAT SAID, WITH LIGHT WINDS  
WED MORNING GIVEN SFC HIGH PRESSURE NEAR THE REGION SHOULD STILL  
ALLOW FOR ENOUGH RADIATIONAL COOLING FOR A WIDESPREAD FREEZE FOR  
MOST IF NOT THE ENTIRE REGION WITH A HARD FREEZE FOR A SIGNIFICANT  
PORTION OF THE AREA, ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN NOTED THE NBM  
PROBABILITIES FOR BELOW 28 DEG LOWS WED MORNING HAVE DECREASED  
SLIGHTLY. THESE PROBABILITIES ARE NOW DOWN AROUND 20-40 PERCENT  
SURROUNDING AMARILLO AND THE HIGHEST PROBABILITIES GREATER THAN 70%  
ARE NOW CONFINED TO THE NW 3RD OF THE PANHANDLES.  
 
NOT MUCH TO WRITE HOME ABOUT WRT WEATHER THE REMAINDER OF THE  
PERIOD AS THE NEXT SYSTEMS WILL BE MUCH MORE PROGRESSIVE AND  
FURTHER NORTH. WINDS WILL BE ALL OVER THE MAP GIVEN REINFORCING  
FRONT INDICATED BY MODELS THURSDAY AND THE NEXT WAVE CROSSING THE  
PLAINS MAY BRING THE NEXT FRONT BY SUNDAY. AFTER WEDNESDAY,  
TEMPERATURES ARE FORECAST TO WARM SLIGHTLY AND BE VERY CLOSE TO  
AVERAGE (LOWS 30S / HIGHS LOW 60S) WITH A TREND TOWARD SLIGHTLY  
ABOVE AVERAGE TOWARD THE END OF THE PERIOD.  
 
GITTINGER  
 

 
   
AVIATION
 
 
(06Z TAFS)  
ISSUED AT 1015 PM CST SUN NOV 17 2024  
 
MVFR CEILINGS HAVE ARRIVED IN AMARILLO, AND CEILINGS WILL  
GRADUALLY CONTINUE TO LOWER AT ALL TERMINALS THROUGH THE NIGHT TO  
THE POINT WHERE ALL TERMINALS WILL BE IFR OR LIFR BY AROUND 09Z.  
CEILINGS WILL RISE FROM SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST IN THE AFTERNOON  
HOURS. OTHERWISE, SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE NIGHT AND AT  
LEAST THE MORNING HOURS AT ALL TERMINALS. HAVE CONTINUED A PROB30  
FOR THUNDERSTORMS AT AMARILLO LATER TONIGHT.  
 
VANDEN BOSCH  
 

 
   
PRELIMINARY POINT TEMPS/POPS
 
 
AMARILLO TX 63 44 57 36 / 40 100 70 0  
BEAVER OK 59 43 53 32 / 20 100 90 0  
BOISE CITY OK 51 36 51 27 / 20 90 80 0  
BORGER TX 63 45 57 35 / 20 100 80 0  
BOYS RANCH TX 63 43 60 33 / 20 100 90 0  
CANYON TX 64 44 60 35 / 50 100 70 0  
CLARENDON TX 65 48 60 39 / 60 100 40 0  
DALHART TX 57 38 57 29 / 20 100 90 0  
GUYMON OK 56 39 51 29 / 10 100 90 0  
HEREFORD TX 65 44 61 36 / 50 100 80 0  
LIPSCOMB TX 61 48 59 35 / 30 100 80 0  
PAMPA TX 62 45 56 35 / 30 100 70 0  
SHAMROCK TX 65 50 62 39 / 60 100 50 0  
WELLINGTON TX 65 51 64 40 / 70 100 40 0  
 

 
   
AMA WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES
 
 
TX...FLOOD WATCH THROUGH MONDAY MORNING FOR TXZ004-005-008>010-  
013>015-017>020-317.  
 
OK...FLOOD WATCH THROUGH MONDAY MORNING FOR OKZ003.  
 

 
 

 
 
SHORT TERM...88  
LONG TERM....88  
AVIATION...52  
 
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