399  
FXUS63 KARX 181203  
AFDARX  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LA CROSSE WI  
603 AM CST MON NOV 18 2024  
   
KEY MESSAGES
 
 
- RAIN TO OVERSPREAD THE AREA TODAY WITH 1-1.5 INCHES OF RAIN  
COMMON BY TUESDAY MORNING. WORSE CASE SCENARIOS STILL AROUND 2  
TO 2.5 INCHES. WIND GUSTS MOSTLY IN THE 30 TO 40 MPH RANGE,  
BUT POCKETS OF 45MPH+ MAY ALSO OCCUR DUE TO THE SHOWERS AND  
STORMS.  
 
- TURNING COOLER WEDNESDAY INTO THE WEEKEND. RAIN/SNOW CHANCES  
WEDNESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT (50-70% FOR 0.1" OR MORE)  
ACCOMPANIED BY BREEZY TO WINDY WEST WINDS. THE COMBINATION OF  
SNOW SHOWERS AND WINDS MAY REDUCE VISIBILITIES.  
 

 
   
DISCUSSION
 
 
ISSUED AT 415 AM CST MON NOV 18 2024  
 
OVERVIEW:  
 
INCREASING HIGH CLOUDS WITH SOME PATCHY FOG WAS NOTED ON THE  
GOES NIGHTTIME MICROPHYSICS SATELLITE IMAGERY EARLY THIS  
MORNING. AN EXPANSIVE AREA OF CLOUDS WERE NOT FAR AWAY WITH MVFR  
CEILINGS TO THE SOUTH AT DBQ AND THE AREA OF RAINFALL EXPANDING  
NORTHWARD ACROSS MISSOURI. TEMPERATURES AT 10Z WERE IN THE  
UPPER 20S TO MID 30S WITH LIGHT SOUTH WINDS. DENSE FOG WAS  
DEVELOPING OVER PARTS NORTHERN ILLINOIS AND SOUTHERN WISCONSIN  
WITH THE STALLED FRONT LOCATED NEAR CHICAGO TOWARD PEORIA.  
 
WATER VAPOR SATELLITE IMAGERY, HEIGHTS, AND LIGHTNING SHOWED A  
CLOSED LOW OVER ONTARIO WITH THE SOUTHERN CLOSED LOW OVER SOUTHERN  
NEW MEXICO. A COUPLE OF LINES OF STORMS WERE NOTED WITH THE AREAS OF  
RAIN ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PLAINS FROM ARKANSAS INTO TEXAS. ALSO OF  
NOTE WAS THE TROPICAL CONNECTION OF MOISTURE FROM 10 TO 20 DEGREES  
NORTH LATITUDE STREAMING NORTHWARD AHEAD OF THE CLOSED LOW.  
 
RAIN TO OVERSPREAD THE AREA TODAY WITH 1-1.5 INCHES OF RAIN  
COMMON BY TUESDAY MORNING. WIND GUSTS MOSTLY IN THE 30 TO 40  
MPH RANGE, BUT POCKETS OF 45MPH+ MAY ALSO OCCUR DUE TO THE  
SHOWERS AND STORMS:  
 
THROUGH TUESDAY, THE CLOSED LOW OVER SOUTHERN NEW MEXICO WILL LIFT  
NORTHEAST THROUGH THE PLAINS, DEEPENING, BECOMING NEGATIVELY TILTED  
OVER THE MISSOURI RIVER VALLEY AND UPPER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY, MERGING  
WITH THE TROUGH OVER THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST. STRONG 850 MB MOISTURE  
TRANSPORT VECTORS OVER TEXAS TOWARD MISSOURI CONTINUES TO EXPAND  
ACROSS MISSOURI AND IOWA TODAY INTO SOUTHERN MINNESOTA THROUGH  
00Z; SHIFTING EASTWARD ACROSS ILLINOIS, WISCONSIN, AND INDIANA  
TONIGHT. THE 18.00Z DVN RADIOSONDE HAD 1.03" OF PRECIPITABLE  
WATER (PWAT). THROUGH TODAY, THE PWAT VALUES CLIMB TO 1 TO  
1.40". THE STEADIER RAIN IS FORECAST TO INCREASE FROM SOUTH TO  
NORTH AFTER AROUND 10 OR 11AM AND CONTINUING THROUGH MIDNIGHT,  
THEN DECREASING FROM SOUTH TO NORTH THROUGH TUESDAY  
MORNING...BUT LINGERING NORTH OF I94 THROUGH TUESDAY. FROM THE  
18.00Z NAEFS, THIS IS 3 TO 4 STANDARD DEVIATIONS ABOVE NORMAL.  
THE EFI CONTINUE TO SHOW ANOMALOUS PRECIPITATION WHEN COMPARED  
TO THE CLIMATOLOGY WITH 70 TO 90% OF THE ENSEMBLE MEMBERS AND  
THE SHIFT OF TAILS AROUND 1 TOWARD EAU. THE HREF ENSEMBLES  
CONTINUE TO SHOW HIGH PROBABILITIES (60-80%) FOR 1" OR RAINFALL  
FOR THE FORECAST AREA. THERE ARE SOME POCKETS OF LOWER  
PROBABILITIES THOUGH. THE HREF PROBABILITIES FOR 1.5" ARE MOSTLY  
0 TO 30% WITH SOME HIGHER 30-60% PROBABILITIES OVER PARTS OF  
NORTHEAST IOWA AND SOUTHWEST WISCONSIN. THIS LOOKS TO BE  
REFLECTIVE OF WHERE WE HAVE ADDED SOME THUNDER PROBABILITIES.  
THE HREF MEANS ARE .5" TO 1.25" WITH LESS FARTHER NORTH OVER  
NORTH CENTRAL WI AND HIGHER AMOUNTS FOR PARTS OF NORTHEAST IOWA  
AND SOUTHWEST WI. THE HREF LPMM SHOWS SOME POTENTIAL FOR HIGHER  
END MAX AMOUNTS UP TO 2 OR 2.5". THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PERIODS  
OF INSTABILITY; DURING THE LATE AFTERNOON, DURING THE EVENING  
WITH MUCAPE OF 50 TO POSSIBLY 400J/KG ACROSS OUR SOUTHERN  
FORECAST AREA TOWARD DBQ, THEN OVERNIGHT WITH 50 TO 80J/KG  
LIFTING ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA. THE POTENTIAL FOR STORMS ARE  
WITH THE MOISTURE TRANSPORT, FRONTOGENESIS AND STRONGER WINDS  
MOVING IN. 0-6KM SHEAR IS FORECAST TO BE AROUND 60 TO 70KTS. AT  
THIS TIME, DUE TO THE LIMITED INSTABILITY, LOCALIZED LIGHTNING  
AND GUSTY WINDS WITH THE SHOWERS AND STORMS MIXING DOWN SOME OF  
THE STRONGER WINDS APPEAR TO BE THE PRIMARY HAZARDS.  
 
WE CURRENTLY HAVE WIND GUSTS OF 30 TO 45 MPH IN THE FORECAST  
REALIZING STRONGER GUSTS ARE POSSIBLE DUE TO THE SHOWERS AND A FEW  
STORMS. THE 18.00Z HREF GUIDANCE IS QUITE AGGRESSIVE WITH HIGH 80 TO  
100% PROBABILITIES OF 40MPH+ WINDS AREAWIDE. A DEEPER DIVE SHOWS  
SOME OF THE ARW AND NSSL MEMBERS HAVE 45 TO 60 MPH GUSTS, HOWEVER  
THE HRRR/RAP ARE MOSTLY 25 TO 35KTS WITH SOME 35 TO 40KTS GUSTS FOR  
TAYLOR AND CLARK CO. THRU 02Z, THEN THE HRRR HAS GREATER COVERAGE OF  
THE 40KTS WINDS WITH THE RAP WITH GREATER 30 TO 35KTS WITH POCKETS  
OF 40KTS. FORECAST SOUNDINGS SHOW THE 40-60KT WINDS ARE AT THE  
1500-2000FT LEVEL AND ABOVE, SO THE MODELS LOOK LIKE THEY ARE  
MIXING DOWN THESE STRONGER WINDS TO VARYING DEGREES. AT THIS  
TIME, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH CERTAINTY IN THE COVERAGE OF THE  
STRONGER WIND GUSTS TO GO WITH A WIND ADVISORY.  
 
TURNING COOLER WEDNESDAY INTO THE WEEKEND. RAIN/SNOW CHANCES  
WEDNESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT (50-70% FOR 0.1" OR MORE  
ACCUMULATION) ACCOMPANIED BY BREEZY TO WINDY WEST WINDS:  
 
COOLER AIR WRAPS INTO THE STORM SYSTEM TUESDAY WITH THE SOUTH WINDS  
SHIFTING TO THE WEST. AS THE MERGED STORM SYSTEM HAS AN AREA OF  
FRONTOGENESIS MOVE THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT. THERE IS ENOUGH COLD  
AIR THAT PRECIPITATION WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF LIGHT SNOW. AT  
THIS TIME IT IS LOOKING DRY TUESDAY NIGHT, HOLDING OFF UNTIL  
WEDNESDAY AND WEDNESDAY NIGHT WHEN THE CLOSED LOW MOVES OVER THE  
REGION. LIGHT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS WILL BE POSSIBLE ON GRASSY  
AREAS AND HIGHER ELEVATIONS. BRISK WINDS WITH GUSTS 20 TO 35MPH  
ARE POSSIBLE DURING THIS TIME AS WELL. 18.00Z ECE/GEFS/CANADIAN  
ENSEMBLES HAVE A 50 TO 70% CHANCE OF MEASURABLE SNOW (0.1" OR  
MORE) OF SNOW AND 10-30% PROBABILITY OF 1" OR MORE, BUT HIGHER  
ELEVATIONS COULD SEE MORE. LOOKING AT THE NAM SNOW SQUALL  
PARAMETER FOR WEDNESDAY THE VALUE DOES RANGE FROM 1 TO 5 ACROSS  
PARTS OF SOUTHEAST MINNESOTA AND NORTHEAST IOWA FROM 18-03Z.  
CONDITIONS DO SHOW SOME INSTABILITY, STEEP LAPSE RATES, AND SNOW  
SHOWERS ACCOMPANIED BY GUSTY WESTERLY WINDS. IT IS STILL A FEW  
DAYS OUT, BUT WILL MENTION THE POTENTIAL FOR REDUCED  
VISIBILITIES IN THE HWO.  
 
HIGHS TODAY AND TUESDAY IN THE 50S, BUT MUCH COOLER  
TEMPERATURES WEDNESDAY INTO THE WEEKEND WITH HIGHS IN THE 30S  
AND 40S.  
 

 
   
AVIATION /12Z TAFS THROUGH 12Z TUESDAY/
 
 
ISSUED AT 534 AM CST MON NOV 18 2024  
 
INITIAL FORECAST DIFFICULTIES ARE DECREASED VISIBILITIES FROM  
AN AREA OF VALLEY FOG THAT HAS SHIFTED NORTH THROUGH THE  
OVERNIGHT HOURS. CURRENTLY AFFECTING KLSE TAF SITE WITH 1/4 SM  
TO 1 1/2 SM OBSERVED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF HOURS.  
 
PRECIPITATION SPREADS FROM SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST LATER THIS  
MORNING INITIALLY AFFECTING SMALLER AIRPORTS IN NORTHEAST IOWA  
(KOLZ,KCCY), FOLLOWED BY SOUTHEAST MINNESOTA (KRST, KONA, KFKA)  
INTO WESTERN WISCONSIN (KLSE, KPDC, KOVS), AND EVENTUALLY  
MOVING INTO CENTRAL WISCONSIN (KBCK, KMDZ) EARLY THIS EVENING.  
EXPECT ACCOMPANYING FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS SHORTLY THEREAFTER.  
DECREASING CEILING RESTRICTIONS EXPECTED TO BE TEMPORALLY  
LIMITED WITH ONLY A COUPLE OF HOURS FROM MVFR TO IFR AND THEN  
LIFR. WASN'T COMFORTABLE IN LOCKING DOWN LIFR AT THE CURRENT  
FORECAST HOUR AND THEREFORE HAVE INCLUDED WITHIN A PROB30 AT  
BOTH KLSE AND KRST TAF SITES. NO SITES IN PARTICULAR ARE  
EXPECTED TO BE SPARED FROM THE LOWEST FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS. RAIN  
EXPECTED TO BE HEAVY AT TIMES AND HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR WITH  
VISIBILITY RESTRICTIONS IN TAFS.  
 

 
   
ARX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES
 
 
WI...NONE.  
MN...NONE.  
IA...NONE.  
 

 
 

 
 
DISCUSSION...ZAPOTOCNY  
AVIATION...JAR  
 
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