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FXUS63 KIND 161636  
AFDIND  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN  
1136 AM EST SAT NOV 16 2024  
   
KEY MESSAGES  
 
- WARMING TREND BACK TO THE 60S BEGINS SUNDAY  
 
- WIND GUSTS IN EXCESS OF 30 MPH NEXT TUESDAY AND THURSDAY  
 
- POTENTIAL FOR FIRST SNOW WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY  
 
 
   
FORECAST UPDATE  
 
ISSUED AT 949 AM EST SAT NOV 16 2024  
 
STRATUS REMAINS STUCK ACROSS MUCH OF THE GREAT LAKES AND EASTERN  
MIDWEST THIS MORNING AS LOW LEVEL MOISTURE PERSISTS BENEATH A SHARP  
INVERSION. TEMPS HAVE MOVED LITTLE OVER THE LAST 24 TO 36  
HOURS...AND ARE PRIMARILY IN THE MID AND UPPER 40S THIS MORNING.  
 
THE STRATUS CONTINUES AS THE PRIMARY FORECAST CHALLENGE IN THE NEAR  
TERM...AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SIGNS THAT THE DECK WILL BE DIFFICULT  
TO ERODE OVER MUCH OF THE FORECAST AREA THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE  
DAY.  
 
THE LACK OF SUBSTANTIAL FLOW THROUGH THE BOUNDARY LAYER IS ONE  
FACTOR IN WHY THE STRATUS HAS REMAINED SO STUBBORN BUT AS THE  
SURFACE RIDGE SHIFTS EAST BY THIS AFTERNOON...WINDS WILL VEER TO A  
SOUTHEAST DIRECTION ALTHOUGH THEY WILL REMAIN LIGHT. SUBSIDENCE WILL  
DEEPEN AND ADVECT NORTH INTO THE AREA TODAY AS WELL COURTESY OF THE  
RETURN SOUTHEASTERLY FLOW. ULTIMATELY...THIS WILL PROMOTE THE  
CONTINUED PRESENCE OF THE BOUNDARY LAYER INVERSION WITH THE  
SUBSIDENCE AND DRY AIR INCREASING IN THE MID LEVELS SERVING TO  
PERHAPS EVEN STRENGTHEN THE INVERSION INTO THE AFTERNOON.  
 
HAVE TRENDED MORE PESSIMISTIC WITH ANY CLEARING FOR THE REST OF THE  
DAY...WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR ANY CLOUD BREAKS AND SUNSHINE LIKELY TO  
BE CONFINED TO THE LOWER WABASH VALLEY BASED ON SATELLITE TRENDS  
CURRENTLY...AND PERHAPS BY LATE DAY OVER FAR SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF  
THE FORECAST AREA. THIS WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON TEMP RISES WHICH WE  
HAD ALREADY TEMPERED BASED ON PERSISTENCE AND TRENDS OF THE LAST  
COUPLE DAYS. MAY SEE HIGHS APPROACH 60 IN THE LOWER WABASH VALLEY BY  
LATE AFTERNOON BUT LIKELY WILL ONLY SEE LOW TO PERHAPS MID 50S  
ELSEWHERE.  
 
ZONE AND GRID UPDATES OUT.  
 
 
   
SHORT TERM (TODAY AND TONIGHT)  
 
ISSUED AT 300 AM EST SAT NOV 16 2024  
 
CONDITIONS HAVE REMAINED RELATIVELY STAGNANT THE PAST 24 HOURS AS  
LOW STRATUS CLOUDS HAVE BEEN STUCK OVER THE ENTIRE REGION. LATEST  
SURFACE ANALYSIS SHOWS AN AREA OF HIGH PRESSURE DIRECTLY OVERHEAD  
WITH REPORTS OF CEILINGS AROUND 2000-2500FT AGL. ACARS SOUNDINGS  
FROM AROUND THE REGION REVEAL THE STRATUS IS STUCK UNDER A STRONG  
SUBSIDENCE INVERSION TRAPPING LOW LEVEL MOISTURE NEAR THE SURFACE.  
THE LOW SUN ANGLE THIS TIME OF YEAR STRUGGLES TO HEAT THE BOUNDARY  
LAYER ENOUGH TO BREAK THE INVERSION AND LIFT THE CLOUDS OUT OF THE  
AREA. DUE TO SUCH A SATURATED ENVIRONMENT WITH HEAVY CLOUD COVER,  
THE PAST 24 HOURS HAVE ONLY SEEN A DIURNAL TEMPERATURE RANGE OF  
AROUND 3 DEGREES IN MANY SPOTS, WITH TEMPERATURES STUCK IN THE UPPER  
40S. THIS SAME PATTERN CONTINUES THROUGH THE REST OF THE MORNING  
HOURS TODAY.  
 
SHORT TERM GUIDANCE DOES INDICATE THE SURFACE HIGH AND ASSOCIATED  
RIDGING PUSHING NORTH AND EAST THROUGHOUT THE DAY, WITH WINDS  
BECOMING SOUTHERLY TO SOUTHWESTERLY THROUGH THE COLUMN. INCREASING  
WINDS AND WARM AIR ADVECTION MAY WORK TO ERODE SOME OF THE LOW  
CLOUDS, ESPECIALLY ACROSS PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN AND WESTERN INDIANA.  
STILL THINKING GUIDANCE MAY BE PUSHING OUT CLOUD COVER TOO QUICKLY  
FURTHER NORTH AND EAST, SO HAVE KEPT HIGHS AROUND THE NBM25TH  
PERCENTILE FOR MUCH OF THE REGION RESULTING IN LITTLE DIURNAL  
TEMPERATURE RANGES ONCE AGAIN. CURRENT FORECAST CALLS FOR HIGHS IN  
THE LOW TO MID 50S AREAWIDE WITH THE WARMEST LOCATIONS IN SW  
INDIANA. THESE NUMBERS STILL MAY BE TOO WARM FOR CENTRAL AND  
NORTHEAST INDIANA IF CLOUDS DO NOT BREAK UP BY THE EVENING.  
 
 
   
LONG TERM (SUNDAY THROUGH FRIDAY)  
 
ISSUED AT 309 AM EST SAT NOV 16 2024  
 
A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IS ON THE HORIZON FOR THE LONG TERM PORTION OF  
THE FORECAST.  
 
WELL ABOVE NORMAL TEMPERATURES WILL PERSIST INTO THE EARLY PORTION  
OF THE WORK WEEK, WITH HIGHS IN THE 60S SUNDAY INTO TUESDAY AS UPPER  
LEVEL RIDGING AND BROAD SOUTHERLY/SOUTHWESTERLY FLOW THROUGH THE  
DEPTH OF THE TROPOSPHERE PERSISTS AHEAD OF A LARGE INCOMING LOW  
PRESSURE SYSTEM.  
 
ALTHOUGH SOME PRECIPITATION CHANCES WILL BE NEEDED AS EARLY AS  
SUNDAY NIGHT, THE HIGHEST LIKELIHOOD OF RAINFALL WILL COME LATE  
MONDAY INTO EARLY TUESDAY AS THE PRIMARY WARM CONVEYOR BELT  
ASSOCIATED WITH THE POTENT, WRAPPED-UP LOW PUSHES THROUGH THE  
REGION. THAT SAID, RAINFALL AMOUNTS MAY BE LIMITED BY ACTIVE  
OCCLUSION OCCURRING WITH THE LOW, WHICH COULD ACT TO SPLIT MORE  
SIGNIFICANT MOISTURE BETWEEN THE DEFORMATION ZONE NEAR AND NORTHWEST  
OF THE LOW, WHICH WILL PASS TO OUR NORTHWEST, AND THE LOW LEVEL WCB,  
WHICH MAY BE MAXIMIZED MORE TO OUR SOUTH AND EAST.  
 
IN THE WAKE OF THIS FIRST SYSTEM, A SECOND UPPER LEVEL LOW IS LIKELY  
TO DROP INTO THE MIDWEST AND REINFORCE THE FIRST, POTENTIALLY  
LEADING TO RAPID CYCLOGENESIS SOMEWHERE IN THE REGION WEDNESDAY INTO  
THURSDAY, THOUGH CONFIDENCE IS LOW ON EXACT PLACEMENT AND TIMING OF  
THIS SECONDARY CYCLOGENESIS.  
 
THIS SECONDARY SYSTEM WILL REQUIRE REINTRODUCTION OF PRECIPITATION  
CHANCES AFTER A BRIEF BREAK TUESDAY NIGHT, WITH HIGH POPS,  
ESPECIALLY WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY AS THE SURFACE LOW PIVOTS  
AROUND THE LARGER UPPER LEVEL LOW. TEMPERATURE PROFILES MAY BE  
BORDERLINE, BUT THERE IS A NON-ZERO CHANCE FOR THE FIRST SNOWFLAKES  
OF THE SEASON TO FLY WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO EARLY THURSDAY, PERHAPS  
AIDED BY MUCH ABOVE NORMAL LAKE TEMPERATURES WHICH COULD ADD LAKE  
ENHANCEMENT TO THE EQUATION. AGAIN, BETWEEN THE TIMING AND PLACEMENT  
OF THIS SECOND SYSTEM, UNCERTAINTIES WITH RESPECT TO THE STRENGTH OF  
THE COLD INTRUSION INTO THE AREA, AND THIS BEING A SIGNIFICANTLY  
UNUSUAL EVOLUTION OF A SYNOPTIC SYSTEM IN THIS REGION, CONFIDENCE IS  
LOW AT THIS TIME IN DETAILS, BUT SUFFICE TO SAY, THE LATTER PART OF  
THIS WEEK WILL TURN SHARPLY COOLER, WINDIER, AND WETTER THAN THE  
EARLY PORTION OF THE WEEK, AND THAN MUCH OF THE YOUNG COOL SEASON  
HAS BEEN THUS FAR.  
 
 
   
AVIATION (18Z TAF ISSUANCE)  
 
ISSUED AT 1136 AM EST SAT NOV 16 2024  
 
IMPACTS:  
 
- MVFR CEILINGS THROUGH LATE AFTERNOON/EARLY EVENING  
 
DISCUSSION:  
 
MVFR STRATUS DECK REMAINS OVER THE REGION LATE THIS MORNING ALTHOUGH  
THE SHIFT TO A MORE SOUTHEAST DIRECTION OF LOW LEVEL FLOW COMBINED  
WITH INCREASED SUBSIDENCE ALOFT WAS CONTRIBUTING TO A FEW BREAKS IN  
THE DECK. OVERALL HOWEVER...EXPECT THE STRONG BOUNDARY LAYER  
INVERSION TO LINGER INTO THE AFTERNOON MAINTAINING STRATUS IN THE  
2500 T0 3500 FT LAYER THROUGH LATE DAY. KBMG AND KHUF COULD BOTH  
BREAK OUT OF THE MVFR DECK LATE THIS AFTERNOON WITH KIND FOLLOWING  
THIS EVENING. CONFIDENCE IS LOWEST IN HOW QUICKLY THE STRATUS WILL  
MIX OUT AT KLAF WITH LOWER CEILINGS POSSIBLY PERSISTING MOST OF THE  
NIGHT.  
 
THE INVERSION WILL FINALLY GIVE WAY OVERNIGHT AND INTO SUNDAY  
MORNING AS WINDS VEER TO A MORE S/SW DIRECTION. EXPECT PREDOMINANTLY  
MID AND HIGH LEVEL CLOUDS FOR THE FIRST HALF OF SUNDAY.  
 
 
   
IND WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES  
NONE.  
 
 
 
 
 
UPDATE...RYAN  
SHORT TERM...CM  
LONG TERM...NIELD  
AVIATION...RYAN  
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