761  
FXUS63 KIWX 180007  
AFDIWX  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORTHERN INDIANA  
707 PM EST SUN NOV 17 2024  
   
KEY MESSAGES  
 
- RAIN CHANCES INCREASE LATER MONDAY INTO EARLY TUESDAY. THERE  
ARE SLIGHT CHANCES FOR RAIN TONIGHT.  
 
- ROLLER COASTER OF TEMPERATURES EXPECTED FOR THE PERIOD WITH  
WARMEST TEMPERATURES EXPECTED TUESDAY, BUT COOLER TO END THE  
WORK WEEK.  
 
- ADDITIONAL PRECIP CHANCES EXIST WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON INTO  
FRIDAY, BUT CONFIDENCE ON TIMING AND POSSIBLE PRECIPITATION  
TYPES REMAINS VERY LOW.  
 
 
   
DISCUSSION  
 
ISSUED AT 230 PM EST SUN NOV 17 2024  
 
AN UPPER LEVEL LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM RIDES NORTHEAST INTO CENTRAL  
CANADA. MEANWHILE, A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM IN MEXICO BECOMES CUTOFF  
AND THE VORTICITY BETWEEN THESE TWO SYSTEMS BECOMES STRUNG/SHEARED  
OUT. THIS ALLOWS A COLD FRONT TO STALL OUT AND WASH OUT ACROSS THE  
AREA TONIGHT. LOW LEVEL MOISTURE LINGERS INTO THIS EVENING AND SO  
DOES SOME MID TO UPPER LEVEL CLOUDINESS, BUT THINK IT'S BRIEF ENOUGH  
TO REMOVE POPS FROM OVERNIGHT TONIGHT. DRY AIR FILTERS INTO THE AREA  
FROM ALOFT AND THIS REMOVES CHANCES FOR DRIZZLE OVERNIGHT. WE START  
THE MORNING WITH PEEKS OF SUNSHINE, MONDAY, BUT A RETURN TO  
CLOUDINESS TAKES OVER FOR MONDAY AFTERNOON AS THAT SYSTEM IN THE  
SOUTHEAST CONUS RISES NORTHEASTWARD. AS THE WARM FRONT SLIDES  
NORTHWARD, A SIDE SWIPE BY THE INITIAL WARM ADVECTION WING MAY BRING  
US A BRIEF PERIOD OF LIGHT TO MODERATE RAIN MONDAY AFTERNOON, BUT  
THE MORE SUBSTANTIAL RAIN COMES FROM THE COLD FRONT LATE MONDAY  
NIGHT INTO EARLY TUESDAY MORNING. ONLY VERY WEAK INSTABILITY AT LESS  
THAN 500 J/KG OF MUCAPE, EVEN ON THE NAM, AND ITS TIME OF  
ARRIVAL SHOULD LIMIT THUNDER ACTIVITY FROM THIS FROPA. AS THE  
ENERGY FROM THIS DEEPENING LOW INTERACTS WITH ANOTHER ARRIVING  
PACIFIC TROUGH, A STRONG AREA OF VORTICITY RIDES AROUND THE BASE  
OF THE TROUGH. PREVIOUS MODEL RUNS PRODUCED SPRINKLES OR  
DRIZZLE DURING THIS TIME. THERE'S ENOUGH LOW TO MID LEVEL  
MOISTURE TO PRODUCE CLOUDS, BUT THE CHANCE FOR RAIN APPEARS TOO  
SMALL TO INCLUDE IN THIS FORECAST.  
 
FROM THIS DANCE OF ENERGY CREATING THIS DEEPENING AREA OF UPPER LOW  
PRESSURE, MODELS CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE WITH WHERE ANY SURFACE LOW  
PRESSURE FORMS, IF AT ALL. SO, TRYING TO PIN POINT TEMPERATURE AND  
ITS GRADIENTS, AND, THEREFORE, BANKING ON ANY PRECIP TYPES AT ANY  
ONE TIME IS STILL A DIFFICULT TASK. THERE IS MODEL CONFLUENCE AROUND  
BRINGING LOW LEVEL COLD AIR ALONG WITH THE ENERGY FROM THE UPPER LOW  
INTO THE AREA WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY MORNING. THIS COULD BE  
WHEN THE FIRST WINTRY PRECIPITATION FALLS. A SECOND SHORTWAVE ROUNDS  
THE UPPER LOW AND MOVES SOUTHWARD ACROSS THE LAKE THURSDAY EVENING.  
THIS ACTUALLY HELPS TO WRAP IN WARMER AIR AND MAY NOT NECESSARILY  
MAKE THE ATMOSPHERE CONDUCIVE TO A LAKE EFFECT SNOW SETUP. IF  
LAKE ENHANCEMENT DOES OCCUR, IT COULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT MORE  
PREDOMINANTLY RAIN, WITH SOME SNOW POSSIBLE DURING THE OVERNIGHT  
AND EARLY MORNING PERIODS. COLD AIR WRAPS IN AGAIN FRIDAY  
NIGHT, BUT BY THIS TIME, THE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM AND ITS  
MOISTURE HAS BEGUN TO LEAVE THE AREA SO IT'LL LIKELY BE TOO DRY  
TO CREATE PRECIPITATION. IN SUMMARY, COMBINING THE COLD AIR AND  
MOISTURE AT THE SAME TIME DURING THIS WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH  
FRIDAY NIGHT PERIOD MAY BE DIFFICULT, BUT FURTHER CHANGES WITH  
MODELS ARE LIKELY COMING AHEAD. AS THE PREVIOUS FORECASTER  
MENTIONED, IT'S STILL THE NIGHT TIME PERIOD THAT BRINGS THE  
GREATEST POTENTIAL TO SEE SNOW. THERE'S ALSO SOME QUESTION ABOUT  
IF THE SNOW WOULD STICK WITH THE GROUND BEING WARM YET. EITHER  
WAY, THIS PERIOD STILL LOOKS FAIRLY BREEZY. TEMP/PRES GRADIENTS  
WILL MAKE 25 TO 35 MPH GUSTS MORE POSSIBLE DURING THIS LATE  
WEEK PERIOD.  
 
WE'LL THEN HAVE TO WATCH THE LATER SUNDAY/MONDAY TIME PERIOD FOR OUR  
NEXT PRECIPITATION CHANCE. GIVEN THE UNCERTAINTY EVEN WITH THE LATE  
WEEK SYSTEM, THE WEEKEND SYSTEM BRINGS EVEN MORE UNCERTAINTY WITH  
IT.  
 
 
   
AVIATION /00Z TAFS THROUGH 00Z TUESDAY/  
 
ISSUED AT 657 PM EST SUN NOV 17 2024  
 
PREDOMINANTLY VFR TO MVFR CONDITIONS EXPECTED AT THE TERMINALS  
THIS PERIOD, THOUGH PERIODS OF IFR BECOME MORE POSSIBLE AS WE GO  
INTO MONDAY MORNING AND AGAIN AFTER 21Z. A BAND OF RAIN ALONG  
AN APPROACHING COLD FRONT EXTENDS FROM ROUGHLY CHICAGO TO BENTON  
HARBOR AND INTO SE LOWER MI. IT'S STRUGGLING TO ADVANCE  
EASTWARD, HOWEVER GIVEN KBEH IS REPORTING RAIN ADDED VCSH TO  
KSBN JUST IN CASE. SO FAR IT SEEMS RAIN IS LIGHT AND GENERALLY  
NON-IMPACTFUL. MODEL GUIDANCE HAS THE FRONT MOVING FURTHER EAST  
AND STALLING BY 18Z AS IT MEETS WITH WARMER AIR ADVECTING IN  
FROM THE SOUTH. THE 10-15Z PERIOD WE COULD SEE SOME BR DEVELOP  
OR CEILINGS DROP TOWARDS IFR (SOME OF GUIDANCE HAS LIFR/VLIFR,  
BUT NOT FEELING ANY KIND OF CONFIDENCE WITH THAT AT THIS POINT).  
HAVE TEMPO AT KFWA TO MVFR FOR NOW, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE CEILINGS  
BECOME BROKEN AROUND 800 FEET DURING THAT 11-14Z WINDOW. OTHERWISE,  
VARIABLE WINDS BECOME MORE ESE THROUGH TOMORROW AND RAIN LIFTS  
IN BY THE LATE AFTERNOON AS THE WARM FRONT BEGINS LIFTING  
NORTHWARD THROUGH THE EVENING. HAVE PROB30 GROUPS AT BOTH  
KFWA/KSBN 21-00Z TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS POTENTIAL.  
 
 
   
IWX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES  
 
IN...NONE.  
OH...NONE.  
MI...NONE.  
MARINE...NONE.  
 
 
 
 
 
DISCUSSION...ROLLER  
AVIATION...MCD  
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