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FXUS63 KLOT 171047  
AFDLOT  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE, IL  
447 AM CST TUE DEC 17 2024  
   
KEY MESSAGES
 
 
- BRIEF PERIOD OF SNOW EXPECTED LATE TONIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY  
MORNING.  
 
- ANOTHER ROUND OF SNOW AND TRAVEL IMPACTS POSSIBLE THURSDAY  
INTO FRIDAY MORNING, PARTICULARLY FOR AREAS NORTH OF I-80.  
 
- PERIODS OF LAKE EFFECT SNOW POSSIBLE FRIDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH  
SATURDAY NIGHT MAY INCLUDE PARTS OF NORTHEAST IL AT TIMES.  
 

 
   
DISCUSSION
 
 
ISSUED AT 237 AM CST TUE DEC 17 2024  
 
THROUGH WEDNESDAY:  
 
TRICKY PART OF THE FORECAST TODAY IS WITH CLOUD COVER AND THE  
STRATUS DECK SEEPING SOUTH INTO NORTHERN IL EARLY THIS MORNING.  
GENERALLY SPEAKING, GUIDANCE HASN'T BEEN HANDLING THIS ALL THAT  
WELL, THOUGH RAP 925MB RH LOOKS THE MOST REASONABLE AND WOULD  
SUGGEST THE STRATUS COULD HANG AROUND TODAY OVER NORTHERN  
PORTIONS OF THE CWA. HAVE BEEFED UP SKY COVER IN THE GRIDS TO  
ACCOUNT FOR THIS. ELSEWHERE, HIGH AND EVENTUALLY MID LEVEL  
CLOUDINESS WILL OVERSPREAD THE AREA TODAY IN ADVANCE POSITIVELY  
TILTED, FAIRLY QUICK MOVING SHORTWAVE TROUGH PROGGED TO MOVE  
ACROSS THE CWA TONIGHT.  
 
WATER VAPOR IMAGERY EARLY THIS MORNING SHOWS THE AFOREMENTIONED  
SHORTWAVE TROUGH MOVING TOWARD THE NORTHERN AND CENTRAL HIGH  
PLAINS. THIS FEATURE IS PROGGED TO CONTINUE MOVING QUICKLY  
EASTWARD WHILE AMPLIFYING A BIT AS IT MOVES INTO THE MID-UPPER  
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY TONIGHT, THEN EAST ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES  
AND INTO THE LOWER GREAT LAKES WEDNESDAY.  
 
THE ABSENCE OF ANY RETURN FLOW IN ADVANCE OF THE TROUGH WILL  
LEAVE IT RATHER MOISTURE STARVED. HOWEVER, AS THE TROUGH  
AMPLIFIES THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT, GUIDANCE IS IN GOOD  
AGREEMENT IN DEVELOPING A LOW-MID LEVEL F-GEN ZONE ASSOCIATED  
WITH THE THERMALLY DIRECT CIRCULATION IN THE RIGHT ENTRANCE  
REGION OF 100KT+ UPPER LEVEL JET STREAK. THERE IS VARIABILITY  
AMONG THE VARIOUS MODELS ON THE DEPTH/STRENGTH OF THIS F-GEN  
CIRCULATION AS IT MOVES ACROSS OUR CWA TONIGHT, WHICH GIVEN THE  
LIMITED AVAILABLE MOISTURE, HAS SOME PRETTY BIG IMPLICATIONS IN  
HOW MUCH QPF THIS SYSTEM WILL BE ABLE TO SQUEEZE OUT AS IT  
MOVES ACROSS THE AREA LATE TONIGHT INTO EARLY WED AM.  
 
INITIALLY, A PERIOD OF STRONGER FORCING WILL GO TOWARD SATURATING  
THE LOW-MID LEVELS, HOWEVER THE MAJORITY OF GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THAT  
THE TOP-DOWN SATURATION PROCESS WILL TAKE PLACE QUICKLY ENOUGH FOR  
THERE TO STILL BE A BAND OF SNOW TO ACCOMPANY THE LOW-MID LEVEL  
F-GEN CIRCULATION AS IT MOVES ACROSS THE AREA. ONE NOTABLE  
EXCEPTION IS THE GFS, WHICH IS WEAKER/MORE SHALLOW WITH THE F-GEN  
CIRCULATION AND LARGELY BRINGS THIS TROUGH THROUGH WITH VERY  
LITTLE PRECIPITATION. CERTAINLY CAN'T TOTALLY RULE THIS SCENARIO,  
HOWEVER, GIVEN THE MAJORITY OF GUIDANCE WOULD SUPPORT AT LEAST A  
BRIEF PERIOD OF SOME SNOW LATE TONIGHT INTO TOMORROW MORNING, FELT  
LIKELY POPS WERE JUSTIFIED.  
 
MOST LIKELY SCENARIO IS A BAND OF TWO OF SNOW RESULTS IN A 1-3  
HOUR PERIOD OF SOME SNOW LATE TONIGHT INTO EARLY WED MORNING, WITH  
HIGHEST SNOW CHANCES AND MOST LIKELY HIGHEST (ALBEIT STILL PRETTY  
SMALL) ACCUMULATIONS NORTH OF I-80 AND ESPECIALLY NORTH OF  
I-88/I-290. SHOULD GENERALLY SEE A COATING TO PERHAPS LOCALLY AN  
INCH OR SO OF SNOW, DEPENDING ON THE SPEED OF TOP-DOWN SATURATION  
AND INTENSITY OF THE F-GEN BAND. NAM/WRF ARW ARE AMONG THE MORE  
MODELS WITH THE STRONGER F-GEN CIRCULATION AND MORE IMPRESSIVE  
SATURATED NEGATIVE EPV, INDICATIVE OF LESS STABILITY/MORE  
INSTABILITY WHICH COULD SUPPORT A STRONGER BAND OF SNOW. THESE  
MORE WORST CASE SCENARIOS COULD SUPPORT A SWATH OF 1-2" OF SNOW  
WITH MORE SIGNIFICANT TRAVEL IMPACTS. WHILE THIS ISN'T THE MOST  
LIKELY SCENARIO, GUIDANCE OFTEN STRUGGLES WITH F-GEN DRIVEN  
CIRCULATIONS AND THESE TENDS TO BE THE TYPE OF SCENARIOS THAT CAN  
OVERPERFORM.  
 
EVEN IF IT DOESN'T OVERPERFORM, THE TIMING IS LESS THAN IDEAL,  
LEADING UP TO AND DURING THE BEGINNING PART OF THE MORNING COMMUTE  
WEDNESDAY. TEMPERATURES SHOULD BE AT OR BELOW FREEZING AND ALLOW  
FOR SOME ACCUMULATION ON UNTREATED ROADWAYS, PARTICULARLY AWAY  
FROM THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND OF CHICAGO. IF THE SYSTEM WERE TO  
OVERPERFORM, THEN TRAVEL IMPACTS COULD BE MORE SIGNIFICANT GIVEN  
THE INOPPORTUNE TIMING, SO THIS WILL BE SOMETHING TO KEEP A CLOSE  
EYE ON. COULD BE A SHORT PERIOD OF SOME DRIZZLE/SNIZZLE  
IMMEDIATELY IN THE WAKE OF THE BAND AS CLOUD DECK LOSES ICE NUCLEI  
PRIOR TO THE LOSS OF LOW LEVEL FORCING. PRECIP SHOULD EXIT OUR NW  
IN COUNTIES BY MID MORNING WED WITH INCREASING WESTERLY AND  
SEASONABLY CHILLY AIR ADVECTING INTO THE AREA IN THE WAKE OF THE  
SYSTEM.  
 
- IZZI  
 
WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY:  
 
THE LONG TERM WILL START OUT CALM AND RELATIVELY CHILLY  
UNDERNEATH ~1030 MB SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE TRANSITING THE REGION.  
INCREASING HIGH CLOUDS LOOK TO LIMIT HOW COLD TEMPS MAY GET IN  
AN OTHERWISE FAVORABLE RADIATIONAL COOLING SETUP.  
 
FOR THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY, WHILE KEY DIFFERENCES EXIST IN THE  
GUIDANCE, THERE'S GOOD OVERALL AGREEMENT IN A FAIRLY VIGOROUS  
CLIPPER TYPE WAVE MOVING ACROSS THE UPPER MS VALLEY AND WESTERN  
GREAT LAKES. A DISTINCT MAJORITY OF MOST RECENT OPERATIONAL  
MODELS AND ENSEMBLE MEMBERS GENERALLY FAVOR NORTH OF OUR AREA  
FOR THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL FOR A FEW TO SEVERAL INCHES OF SNOW  
ACCUMULATION. HOWEVER, GIVEN THE STRONGEST 500 MB FORCING WITH  
THE PARENT SHORT-WAVE PUSHING ACROSS ILLINOIS, THERE STILL  
APPEARS TO BE MEANINGFUL WIGGLE ROOM IN THE TRACK OF THE  
CLIPPER. EVEN IN THE CURRENT GENERAL CONSENSUS, NORTH-SOUTH  
DIFFERENCES IN THE EXACT TRACK OF THE WEAK SURFACE LOW ARE  
IMPORTANT.  
 
POPS IN THE 20-40% RANGE ARE INDICATED IN THE GRIDDED FORECAST  
INTO FAR NORTHERN ILLINOIS AS EARLY AS THURSDAY MORNING, THOUGH  
THE COLUMN MAY STILL BE TOO DRY FOR WARM ADVECTION SNOW IN THE  
MORNING. RECENT NAM RUNS ARE AN OUTLIER IN THIS REGARD, THOUGH  
WE'LL CERTAINLY BE KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON TRENDS GIVEN THE  
POTENTIAL FOR IMPACTS TO PART OF THE MORNING COMMUTE IN A NAM-  
LIKE SOLUTION.  
 
IF THE CLIPPER SURFACE LOW TRACKS FAR ENOUGH SOUTH, THE  
ACCUMULATING SNOW BAND(S) IN WISCONSIN COULD CONCEIVABLY PIVOT  
INTO AREAS NORTH OF I-88 LATE THURSDAY AFTERNOON AND THURSDAY  
EVENING, WHERE OUR GRIDS HAVE SOME POPS UP TO LIKELY/60%  
INDICATED. CONCEPTUALLY, SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS MAY OCCUR  
FARTHER SOUTH NEAR THE CORE OF THE MID-LEVEL PVA AS LAPSE RATES  
STEEPEN FROM COLD (NEAR -30C AT 500 MB) TEMPS ALOFT. LATER  
THURSDAY NIGHT INTO FRIDAY MORNING, IN A STRENGTHENING NORTHERLY  
COLD ADVECTION REGIME ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE CLIPPER, AREAS OF  
SNOW/SNOW SHOWERS SHOULD EXTEND FARTHER SOUTH. WE'LL ALSO HAVE  
TO MONITOR FOR LAKE ENHANCEMENT FROM EASTERN WI SOUTHWARD INTO  
NORTHEAST ILLINOIS. MAIN TAKEAWAY IS THAT THE CURRENT BEST  
CHANCE FOR TRAVEL IMPACTS IN ANY PORTION OF OUR AREA APPEARS TO  
BE THE THURSDAY EVENING COMMUTE THROUGH THE FRIDAY MORNING COMMUTE.  
 
EXPANSIVE NEAR 1040 MB HIGH PRESSURE WILL SLOWLY BUILD IN FROM  
THE NORTHWEST FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, TYPICALLY A FAVORABLE  
SETUP FOR LAKE EFFECT SNOW ON SOUTHERN LAKE MICHIGAN. 850 MB  
TEMPS FORECAST TO GET DOWN INTO THE -12 TO -15 CELSIUS RANGE  
SUGGEST FAVORABLE THERMODYNAMICS AND LAKE INDUCED INSTABILITY  
GIVEN LAKE TEMPS STILL IN THE 40S. MODEL FORECAST SOUNDINGS ALSO  
INDICATE SUFFICIENT MOISTURE AND INVERSION HEIGHTS TO SUPPORT  
HIGHER SNOWFALL RATES. THE BIGGEST UNANSWERABLE QUESTION AT THIS  
POINT IS EXACTLY HOW BOUNDARY LAYER CONVERGENCE SETS UP,  
DICTATING THE TRAJECTORY OF LAKE EFFECT BAND(S). BASED ON OUR  
FORECAST WIND DIRECTIONS, NORTHWEST INDIANA MAY BE MORE FAVORED  
FRIDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH EARLY SATURDAY, POSSIBLY MIGRATING  
WESTWARD INTO NORTHEAST IL AND FAR NW INDIANA ON SATURDAY-  
SATURDAY NIGHT. ANOTHER WILDCARD FOR THE LAKE EFFECT IS THE  
INFLUENCE OF MESOLOW DEVELOPMENT, IF THAT OCCURS.  
 
ASIDE FROM THE LAKE EFFECT POTENTIAL, CAN'T COMPLETELY RULE OUT  
A WEAKENING BAND OF SNOW APPROACHING OUR WESTERN CWA SATURDAY  
MORNING. OTHERWISE, THE BIGGER STORY WILL BE A STRETCH OF BELOW  
NORMAL TEMPERATURES THROUGH THE WEEKEND. THIS LOOKS TO BE  
SHORT-LIVED, WITH VERY STRONG MEDIUM-RANGE GUIDANCE AGREEMENT IN  
A PATTERN CHANGE TO MILDER CONDITIONS FOR THE WEEK OF CHRISTMAS.  
 
CASTRO  
 

 
   
AVIATION /12Z TAFS THROUGH 18Z WEDNESDAY/
 
 
ISSUED AT 447 AM CST TUE DEC 17 2024  
 
- A 1-3 HOUR PERIOD OF IFR IN SNOW EXPECTED LATE TONIGHT/VERY  
EARLY WED MORNING  
 
AN EXTENSIVE SHIELD OF MVFR CIGS HAS BEEN OOZING SOUTHWARD  
OVERNIGHT AND HAS OVERSPREAD MOST OF THE TERMINALS. MVFR CIGS  
ARE LIKELY TO START OUT THE 12Z TAFS THIS MORNING, BUT  
CONFIDENCE IS EXTREMELY LOW WHEN, AND EVEN IF, THE MVFR CIGS  
WILL CLEAR OUT TODAY. SOME HOLES HAVE OPENED IN THE PAST COUPLE  
OF HOURS OVER WEST CENTRAL WI/NE IA, WHICH IF THAT TREND WERE TO  
CONTINUE THIS MORNING THEN VFR CONDITIONS COULD DEVELOP MUCH  
EARLIER THAN CURRENTLY FORECAST. ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THOSE HOLES  
FILL IN AND MVFR CIGS PERSIST THROUGH THE DAY AND INTO TONIGHT.  
 
A BAND OR TWO OF SNOW IS EXPECTED TO MOVE SOUTHEASTWARD ACROSS  
THE TERMINALS OVERNIGHT TONIGHT, POSSIBLY LINGERING INTO THE  
VERY EARLY MORNING HOURS WEDNESDAY. WHILE SNOW ISN'T EXPECTED TO  
LAST LONG AT ANY ONE GIVEN LOCATION, A SHORT PERIOD OR TWO OF  
IFR VSBY IN LIGHT SNOW IS LIKELY (AROUND 60% CHANCE). A COATING  
TO LOCALLY AN INCH OF SNOW COULD ACCUMULATE, PARTICULARLY AT RFD  
AND DPA.  
 
SOME DRIZZLE OR VERY FINE SNOW/SNIZZLE COULD LINGER AN HOUR OR  
TWO AFTER THE SNOW BANDS MOVE THROUGH. WHILE ANY DRIZZLE/SNIZZLE  
WILL END, MVFR CIGS WILL PROBABLY LINGER WEDNESDAY MORNING. WEST  
WINDS WILL BECOME LIGHT/VARIABLE THIS EVENING, THEN LIGHT  
NORTHWEST OVERNIGHT, THEN BEGIN INCREASING FROM THE NORTHWEST  
DURING THE FINAL FEW HOURS OF THE ORD AND MDW 30 HOUR TAFS.  
 
- IZZI  
 

 
   
LOT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES
 
 
IL...NONE.  
IN...NONE.  
LM...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY UNTIL 9 AM CST THIS MORNING FOR GARY TO  
BURNS HARBOR IN-BURNS HARBOR TO MICHIGAN CITY IN.  
 

 
 

 
 
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