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FXUS63 KMPX 161805  
AFDMPX  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TWIN CITIES/CHANHASSEN MN  
1205 PM CST SAT NOV 16 2024  
   
KEY MESSAGES
 
 
- WARM BUT BREEZY THIS WEEKEND. SATURDAY HIGHS IN THE 50S WITH  
WIND GUSTS AROUND 35 MPH. SUNDAY HIGHS IN THE UPPER 40S TO LOW  
50S WITH WIND GUSTS AROUND 20 MPH.  
 
- LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM BRINGING RAIN LATE MONDAY INTO TUESDAY  
WITH MOST LOCATIONS SEEING AROUND AN INCH OF RAIN.  
 
- COOLING DOWN TO NEAR AVERAGE HIGH TEMPERATURES IN THE LATER  
PART OF NEXT WEEK. HIGHS ARE FORECAST TO FALL INTO THE UPPER  
30S.  
 

 
   
DISCUSSION
 
 
ISSUED AT 243 AM CST SAT NOV 16 2024  
 
AS A RESULT OF WAA OUTPACING MOISTURE ADVECTION, THIS MORNING IS  
NEARLY FOG FREE. A WELCOME SIGHT COMPARED TO YESTERDAY. SKIES  
WILL BE PARTLY TO MOSTLY CLOUDY TODAY BUT TEMPERATURES WILL BE  
WARM WITH HIGHS IN THE 50S. IN FACT, A FEW NEAR 60 VALUES MAY BE  
POSSIBLE ALONG THE BUFFALO RIDGE IN WESTERN MN. WINDS WILL ALSO  
BE STRONG OUT OF THE SOUTH-SOUTHEAST TODAY WITH GUSTS  
APPROACHING 35 MPH. A COLD FRONT WILL MOVE THROUGH FROM WEST TO  
EAST THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING AS A SHORTWAVE PASSES TO OUR  
NORTH. THIS FRONTAL PASSAGE SHOULD BE DRY, EXCEPT NEAR EAU AND  
OUR EASTERN WI COUNTIES WHERE JUST ENOUGH SATURATION COULD  
RESULT IN SOME EVENING RAIN SHOWERS. CURRENTLY HAVE 20-30% POPS  
IN THIS REGION FOR THIS EVENING. BUT ASIDE FROM SOME POTENTIAL  
WETTING RAIN IN WESTERN WI, THE REST OF THE CWA WILL REMAIN DRY  
THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT. TEMPERATURES COOL SLIGHTLY FOLLOWING THE  
FRONT WITH LOWS IN THE MID 30S TO LOWER 40S TONIGHT AND HIGHS IN  
THE UPPER 40S TO LOWER 50S SUNDAY. WINDS WILL ALSO SWITCH TO  
WESTERLY POST- FRONT AND TREND DOWNWARD IN SPEED GOING INTO  
SUNDAY NIGHT. LOWS SUNDAY NIGHT WILL BE EVEN COOLER WITH UPPER  
20S TO MID 30S POSSIBLE.  
 
THE FORECAST BECOMES A LOT MORE INTERESTING AFTER SUNDAY AS RAIN  
LOOKS LIKE A CERTAINTY MONDAY AFTERNOON INTO TUESDAY. A COMPACT,  
BUT NEGATIVELY-TILTED SHORTWAVE ORIGINATING FROM THE BAJA  
PENINSULA WILL MAKE ITS WAY INTO WESTERN TX BY MONDAY MORNING.  
FROM THERE, THE WAVE WILL QUICKLY EJECT NORTH-NORTHEAST,  
SPAWNING A STRONG SURFACE CYCLONE AHEAD OF IT. WITH STRONG  
DYNAMICS AT PLAY AND COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF MOISTURE BEING DRAGGED  
NORTHWARD FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO, A LARGE PRECIPITATION SHIELD  
WILL FORM AROUND THE LOW AS IT TRAVELS NORTHWARD FROM THE  
SOUTHERN PLAINS INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST. RAIN SHOULD ARRIVE IN  
SOUTHERN MN BY LATE MONDAY AFTERNOON, SPREADING NORTHWARD AND  
ENVELOPING THE ENTIRE REGION MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY MORNING.  
EVENTUALLY, AS THE SURFACE LOW CONTINUES NORTH, A MID-LEVEL DRY  
SLOT SHOULD WRAP AROUND FROM THE BACKSIDE OF THE LOW AND  
DIMINISH PRECIP OVER AT LEAST THE SOUTHERN HALF OF MN AFTER  
TUESDAY MORNING. WITH PWAT VALUES OF 1-1.25" (APPROACHING  
CLIMATOLOGICAL MAXIMUM FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR), A SOLID 1-1.5" OF  
RAIN LOOKS LIKE A GOOD POSSIBILITY FOR A MAJORITY OF THE MPX  
CWA. RAIN COULD ALSO BE QUITE HEAVY AT TIMES, ESPECIALLY MONDAY  
NIGHT WHEN MAXIMUM LIFT AND PROFILE SATURATION WILL OCCUR. SOME  
RUMBLES OF THUNDER ARE ALSO NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION AS FORECAST  
SOUNDINGS SHOW NON- ZERO MUCAPE. WINDS WILL ALSO BE QUITE STRONG  
MONDAY NIGHT INTO TUESDAY FROM THE TIGHT PRESSURE GRADIENT OF  
THE SURFACE LOW. WIND FIELDS WILL BE COUNTER-CLOCKWISE AROUND  
THE LOW SO EXPECT WIND DIRECTIONS TO CHANGE FROM SOUTHEASTERLY  
TO WESTERLY AS THE LOW PASSES.  
 
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MODEL SUITES STILL EXIST WITH HOW THE  
AFOREMENTIONED SURFACE LOW OCCLUDES AND EVENTUALLY INTERACTS  
WITH A SECONDARY TROUGH ORIGINATING FROM THE PACIFIC  
NORTHWEST. THE ECMWF AND EPS CONTINUE TO SHOW THE LOW TRAVELING  
MORE NORTH AND EVENTUALLY STALLING OVER NORTHERN MN TUESDAY  
EVENING. WITH THE SECOND TROUGH AND ITS GREATER AMOUNTS OF COLD  
AIR IN TOW, THIS SCENARIO WOULD RESULT IN MORE SNOWFALL ACROSS  
ND AND NORTHWEST MN (POTENTIALLY AFFECTING OUR FAR NORTHWEST  
COUNTIES) TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY. MEANWHILE, THE GFS  
AND GEFS (AND TO AN EXTENT THEIR CANADIAN COUNTERPARTS) ARE MORE  
PROGRESSIVE WITH THE SURFACE LOW WEAKENING AND ENDING UP OVER  
THE UPPER GREAT LAKES. THIS WOULD GREATLY DIMINISH THE POTENTIAL  
FOR ACCUMULATING SNOW OVER ND AND NORTHWEST MN (INCLUDING OUR  
NORTHWEST COUNTIES). GUIDANCE DOES MOSTLY AGREE ON A SECONDARY  
CYCLONE FORMING OVER THE MIDWEST/LOWER GREAT LAKES WEDNESDAY  
NIGHT INTO THURSDAY WITH THE CYCLONE TRAVELING INTO THE  
NORTHEASTERN SEABOARD BY FRIDAY. THUS, MODEL TRENDS ARE HINTING  
AT A MORE PROGRESSIVE SCENARIO, WHICH WOULD RESULT IN OUR AREA  
BEING MORE LIKELY TO SEE PERIODS OF COSMETIC TO LIGHT SNOW  
BEFORE THE SYSTEM MOVES TOO FAR EAST. AFTERWARDS, IT APPEARS WE  
COOL DOWN TO BELOW NORMAL INTO NEXT WEEKEND AS A NORTHWESTERLY  
FLOW PATTERN SETS UP. THIS PATTERN MAY BE SHORT-LIVED, THOUGH,  
AS FORECAST MODELS DO HINT AT BUILDING ANOTHER RIDGE NEAR THE  
CENTRAL CONUS TWO SUNDAYS FROM NOW. BUT MODEL PREDICTABILITY IS  
OBVIOUSLY LOW AT SUCH A FAR TIME IN ADVANCE.  
 

 
   
AVIATION /18Z TAFS THROUGH 18Z SUNDAY/
 
 
ISSUED AT 1205 PM CST SAT NOV 16 2024  
 
GUSTY SOUTHEAST WINDS ARE THE MAIN AVIATION STORY TO OPEN THE  
18Z TAF PERIOD. VFR CONDITIONS ARE SET TO PREVAIL THROUGH THE  
AFTERNOON FOR THE MINNESOTA TERMINALS. MVFR STRATUS IS LIFTING  
NORTHWEST IN WESTERN WISCONSIN AND HAS ALREADY REACHED EAU. THE  
STRATUS WILL BE SOMETHING TO WATCH CLOSELY AT RNH AND POTENTIALLY  
MSP (SEE BELOW) HEADING INTO THIS EVENING. A SURFACE COLD FRONT  
WILL MOVE THROUGH FROM WEST TO EAST TONIGHT, WHICH WILL KICK THE  
WINDS OUT OF THE WEST HEADING INTO SUNDAY. CONFIDENCE REMAINS  
HIGH THAT THE THE FRONTAL PASSAGE WILL NOT PRODUCE PRECIPITATION  
AT MOST OF THE TERMINALS, HOWEVER HI-RES GUIDANCE DEPICTS THE  
POTENTIAL FOR -SHRA AT EAU. WE HAVE MAINTAINED THE PROB30  
BETWEEN 3-7Z AT EAU TO ADDRESS THIS POTENTIAL. WESTERLY WINDS  
ARE FORECAST TO GUST BETWEEN 20-25 KTS AFTER DAYBREAK SUNDAY.  
 
KMSP...KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON SURFACE OBSERVATIONS ACROSS  
NORTHEAST IOWA/WESTERN WISCONSIN, AS MVFR STRATUS IS SLOWLY  
LIFTING TO THE NORTHWEST. LATEST RAP GUIDANCE HAS TRENDED  
OPTIMISTIC AT MSP, SUCH THAT WE'VE OPTED TO ROLL WITH VFR CIGS  
THROUGH THE PERIOD. INTRODUCED SCT025/020 TO ILLUSTRATE THE  
IDEA OF BRIEF MVFR CONDITIONS UNTIL WINDS SHIFT MORE SW/W AFTER  
4/5Z.  
 
/OUTLOOK FOR KMSP/  
MON...VFR. WIND SE 10-15KTS.  
TUE...MVFR/RA, IFR LIKELY. WIND E 10-15KTS BCMG W 15-20G30 KTS.  
WED...MVFR. CHANCE -SHRA/IFR. WIND NW 15G25-30KTS.  
 

 
   
MPX WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES
 
 
MN...NONE.  
WI...NONE.  
 

 
 

 
 
DISCUSSION...CTG  
AVIATION...STRUS  
 
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