185  
FXUS63 KMQT 191935  
AFDMQT  
 
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MARQUETTE MI  
235 PM EST TUE NOV 19 2024  
   
KEY MESSAGES  
 
- A SLOW MOVING SYSTEM WILL USHER IN A WET PATTERN INTO THE  
WEEKEND. PRECIP WILL MAINLY BE RAIN, BUT SOME SNOW WILL BE  
POSSIBLE WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY MORNING ACROSS THE WEST  
HALF.  
 
- NORTHERLY GALES TO 35 KNOTS WILL BE POSSIBLE THURSDAY  
 
 
   
SHORT TERM /THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON/  
 
ISSUED AT 507 AM EST TUE NOV 19 2024  
 
SURFACE ANALYSIS EARLY THIS MORNING SHOWS A 984 MB LOW CENTERED OVER  
CENTRAL MINNESOTA WITH ASSOCIATED FRONTAL BOUNDARY DRAPED  
SOUTHEASTWARD ACROSS WISCONSIN. THIS HAS KEPT THE MQT RADAR ACTIVE  
ALL NIGHT WITH WIDESPREAD RAIN SHOWERS. AND, WITH ONSET OF DRY  
SLOTTING NOT EXPECTED UNTIL LATER TODAY, WIDESPREAD 0.25-0.50 INCH  
RAINFALL AMOUNTS CAN BE EXPECTED. THE MAIN FOCUS TODAY, THOUGH,  
WILL BE THE STRONG SOUTHEASTERLY WINDS AS THE PRESSURE GRADIENT  
TIGHTENS. MOST IMPACTED WILL BE THE KEWEENAW/NORTHERN HOUGHTON  
AND I-28 CORRIDOR WHERE WIND ADVISORIES ARE IN EFFECT FOR GUSTS  
UP TO 50 MPH. UNSECURED OBJECTS WILL BE BLOWN AROUND AND POWER  
OUTAGES ARE LIKELY. HIGHER TERRAIN ACROSS THE WESTERN COUNTIES  
WILL ALSO APPROACH CRITERIA LEVELS WITH WIDESPREAD GUSTS UP TO  
35 MPH EXPECTED OVER THE REMAINDER OF THE UP. THE STRONG WINDS  
WILL CREATE LARGE WAVES ALSO MAKING THE SOUTHERN/EASTERN  
LAKESHORES OF KEWEENAW AND DELTA COUNTIES SUSCEPTIBLE TO MINOR  
BEACH EROSION AND LAKESHORE FLOODING. THEREFORE, LAKESHORE FLOOD  
ADVISORIES ARE ALSO IN EFFECT FOR THOSE COUNTIES. AS THE  
ASSOCIATED OCCLUDED FRONT LIFTS NORTHWARD LATER TODAY/THIS  
EVENING, WINDS WILL VEER TO THE SOUTHWEST AND FINALLY WEAKEN.  
 
 
   
LONG TERM /THURSDAY THROUGH MONDAY/  
 
ISSUED AT 234 PM EST TUE NOV 19 2024  
 
THERE CONTINUES TO BE VERY GOOD AGREEMENT AMONG THE DETERMINISTIC  
MODELS AND THEIR RESPECTIVE ENSEMBLE PACKAGES THIS MORNING,  
SUGGESTING THE MAIN ITEM OF INTEREST WILL BE THE EVOLUTION OF A  
CLOSED MID-LEVEL LOW AND MULTIPLE SURFACE LOWS THROUGH THE GREAT  
LAKES INTO THE WEEKEND. CURRENT WATER VAPOR IMAGERY FROM GOES 16,  
MSAS ANALYSIS, AND RAP HEIGHT ANALYSIS SHOW THE INITIAL CLOSED  
CIRCULATION OVER MINNESOTA, WITH AN OCCLUDED FRONT EXTENDING  
SOUTHEAST FROM THE SURFACE FEATURE ACROSS NORTHERN WISCONSIN.  
TONIGHT, THE MID-LEVEL LOW WILL PROGRESS SOUTHEAST WHILE THE DRY  
SLOT OF THIS SYSTEM MOVES OVERHEAD BEHIND THE NORTHWARD LIFTING  
FRONT AND THE SURFACE FRONT FIZZLES. AS THE MID-LEVEL FEATURE  
MIGRATES EAST, IT WILL AGAIN AMPLIFY, RESULTING IN A SECOND SURFACE  
LOW DEVELOPING NEAR MICHIGAN'S THUMB BY WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. THE LOW  
WILL LIFT NORTH TO THE NORTHERN SHORES OF LAKE HURON IN THE EVENING,  
BEFORE RETROGRADING WESTWARD, AND THEN BACK SOUTH DOWN LAKE MICHIGAN  
OR WESTERN LOWER MICHIGAN. THIS SURFACE REFLECTION WILL WEAKEN LATE  
THURSDAY WHILE A THIRD SURFACE LOW DEVELOPS OFF THE MID-ATLANTIC  
COAST IN RESPONSE TO THE MID-LEVEL LOW AGAIN, AMPLIFYING AS IT  
SHIFTS EASTWARD. THE SYSTEM WILL OCCLUDE FRIDAY THEN SLOWLY EXIT  
THROUGH NEW ENGLAND ON SATURDAY, PERHAPS DEEPENING AGAIN SATURDAY  
EVENING AS IT LIFTS INTO THE CANADIAN MARITIMES. THIS WILL SUPPORT A  
PROLONGED WET PERIOD ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA WITH SYNOPTIC PRECIP  
SHIFTING OVER TO LAKE ENHANCED AND EVENTUALLY LAKE EFFECT THROUGH AT  
LEAST SATURDAY. THE MAIN FORECASTING CHALLENGES IN THIS PERIOD  
CONTINUE TO REVOLVE AROUND THE EXACT WESTWARD EDGE THE SECOND  
SURFACE LOW'S POSITION WHILE IT WOBBLES AROUND THE GREAT LAKES AND  
THE SUBSEQUENT POSITION OF THE LOW'S DEFORMATION AXIS/INVERTED  
TROUGH WHILE COOLING OCCURS WEDNESDAY NIGHT.  
 
FOLLOWING THE EROSION OF THE DRY SLOT WEDNESDAY MORNING, INCREASING  
MID-LEVEL CONVERGENCE WILL SUPPORT AND PRECIP SPREADING INTO EASTERN  
UPPER MICHIGAN WHILE THE SECOND SURFACE LOW DEVELOPS. THE CONSENSUS  
AMONG THE GEPS, GEFS, AND EPS SURFACE LOW CLUSTERING IS THAT THE LOW  
WILL DRIFT NORTH THEN RETROGRADE WEST, BEFORE MIGRATING SOUTH.  
CURRENT TIMING OF THIS EVOLUTION WILL BE OVERNIGHT WEDNESDAY INTO  
THURSDAY WHEN SURFACE TEMPERATURES DIP NEAR OR BELOW FREEZING AND  
WETBULB ZERO HEIGHTS FALL LESS THAN 600FEET, WHICH WILL SUPPORT A  
RAIN TO WET SNOW TRANSITION OVER WESTERN UPPER MICHIGAN. THERE'S  
ENOUGH SPREAD AMONG THESE SYSTEMS ON THE NORTHWARD AND WESTWARD  
POSITION TO QUESTION HOW FAR WEST HIGHER QPF AXIS WILL BE, WHICH  
IMPACTS SNOWFALL AMOUNTS. MIDDLE OF THE ROAD OPTION CONFORMS TO MOST  
DETERMINISTIC SOLUTIONS, WHILE THE MOST NOTABLE OUTLIER IS THE  
EASTWARD NAMNEST. THIS FORECAST REPRESENTS THE CONSENSUS OPTION  
WHERE CONFIDENCE IS HIGHEST. ENSEMBLES SUGGEST A 50% CHANCE OR  
HIGHER OF A MAJORITY OF THE FORECAST AREA GETTING ANOTHER 0.5" OF  
QPF AND THE EPS SUGGESTS A 20-60% CHANCE OF EXCEEDING 1.0" IN THE  
HIGHER TERRAIN REGIONS OF BARAGA AND MARQUETTE COUNTIES. WITH  
ANTICIPATED SNOW RATIOS APPROXIMATELY 10:1 OR LESS, THIS WOULD YIELD  
A COUPLE INCHES OF WET SNOW. SNOW AMOUNTS AMONG THE VARIOUS ENSEMBLE  
AND DETERMINISTIC ARE MIXED AND LARGELY DEPEND ON THE RATE OF  
COOLING, THE POSITION OF THE LOW, AND THE QPF SPREAD. CURRENT  
FORECAST REFLECTS ~1 INCH ACROSS MOST OF WESTERN UPPER MICHIGAN AWAY  
FROM THE LAKESHORES AND A SWATH OF 2 TO 4 INCHES FROM THE HURON  
MOUNTAINS SOUTHWESTWARD TOWARD SIDNAW/WATTON. TIMING CURRENTLY LOOKS  
LIKE IN THE OVERNIGHT PERIOD AFTER MIDNIGHT FOR THE BULK OF THE  
POTENTIAL.  
 
EVENTUALLY, THE MID-LEVEL LOW EXITS EAST, LEAVING BEHIND CONTINUED  
CYCLONIC FLOW WITH 850MB TEMPS OF -4 TO -1C. THIS SHOULD KEEP LAKE  
EFFECT RAIN/SNOW SHOWERS DOWNWIND OF LAKE SUPERIOR INTO SATURDAY  
WHEN ITS POSSIBLE A COOLER AIRMASS MAY BUILD IN. MID-LEVEL RIDGING  
WILL EVENTUALLY FILTER IN FROM WEST TO EAST LATE SATURDAY/SUNDAY,  
WITH A MORE UNCERTAIN PATTERN DEVELOPING AFTERWARDS. A BRIEF, PSEUDO-  
ZONAL FLOW PATTERN LOOKS TO DEVELOP ACROSS CONUS AFTERWARDS BUT THIS  
LOOKS SHORT LIVED AS AN EASTWARD MIGRATING SHORTWAVE INTERRUPTS THIS  
FOR OUR FORECAST AREA SUNDAY NIGHT INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK. THERE  
CONTINUES TO BE PLENTY OF UNCERTAINTY WITH THIS WAVE, BUT GUIDANCE  
CONTINUES TO SUGGEST THE AIRMASS BEHIND IT OF 850MB TEMPS IN THE -10  
TO -5C FOR THE START OF NEXT WEEK.  
 
 
   
AVIATION /18Z TAFS THROUGH 18Z WEDNESDAY/  
 
ISSUED AT 108 PM EST TUE NOV 19 2024  
 
A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM LIFTING NORTH THROUGH NORTHERN MN THIS  
AFTERNOON CONTINUES SCT RAIN SHOWERS ACROSS THE UP INTO THIS EVENING  
AND FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS AT ALL SITES THROUGH THE DURATION OF THE 18Z  
TAF PERIOD. SHOWERS BRING PERIODS OF IFR TO LIFR INTO THIS EVENING  
BEFORE A PERIOD OF MVFR TO LOW VFR CIGS SETS UP TONIGHT THROUGH MUCH  
OF THE DAY WEDNESDAY. CHANCES FOR VFR CIGS ARE HIGHEST AT IWD/CMX  
LATE. SOUTHWEST WINDS AHEAD OF THE FRONTAL BOUNDARY LOCATED OVER  
NORTHERN WI ARE STILL GUSTING UP TO 30 KT AT SAW/CMX. A LULL IN THE  
WINDS, ALREADY BEING OBSERVED AT IWD, IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE  
LIFTING NORTH THROUGH THIS EVENING AHEAD OF THE FRONTAL BOUNDARY.  
THIS DIMINISHES WIND GUSTS AS WINDS VEER SOUTHWEST. A LOW LEVEL JET  
OVER THE WEST LOOKS TO INCREASE SOUTHWEST WINDS AGAIN AT IWD AND CMX  
THIS EVENING WITH GUSTS BACK INTO THE 20-30 KT RANGE BEFORE WINDS  
DIMINISH AT ALL SITES TONIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY.  
 
 
   
MARINE  
 
ISSUED AT 234 PM EST TUE NOV 19 2024  
 
STRONG GALES WITH SOME STORM FORCE GUSTS WILL SETTLE DOWN THIS  
AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM SOUTH TO NORTH WITH THE PASSAGE OF AN  
OCCLUDED FRONT. EXPECT THE SOUTHEAST WINDS TO SHIFT TO SOUTHWEST  
IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FRONT AND CONTINUE TO BLOW GALES OF 35KTS OVER  
THE WEST HALF INTO THE EVENING HOURS. WINDS WILL SETTLE FURTHER  
OVERNIGHT, FALLING TO NEAR 20KTS BY MORNING LAKE-WIDE. ATTENTION  
THEN TURNS TO A DEVELOPING SURFACE LOW OVER LAKE HURON THAT WILL  
LIFT NORTH WEDNESDAY NIGHT THEN SHIFT WEST AND SOUTH OVER LOWER  
MICHIGAN INTO THURSDAY. THERE CONTINUES TO BE DIFFERENCES IN THE  
DETERMINISTIC AND ENSEMBLE GUIDANCE PACKAGES OF WHERE EXACTLY THE LOW  
WILL WOBBLE AND HOW DEEP IT WILL BE, AND THUS THE IMPACT OF THE  
INCREASING PRESSURE GRADIENT FORCES. HOWEVER, CONFIDENCE CONTINUES  
TO GROW THAT A WIDESPREAD GALE EVENT TO AT LEAST 35KNOTS WILL BE  
POSSIBLE THURSDAY. INTERNAL PROBABILISTIC GUIDANCE SUGGESTS 30-50%  
CHANCE OF AT LEAST 34KTS WHICH IS REINFORCED BY EPS PROBABILITIES  
SUGGESTING >50% ACROSS LAKE SUPERIOR. ITS POSSIBLE THAT A GALE WATCH  
MAY BE ISSUED LATER THIS EVENING OR BY WEDNESDAY MORNING.  
 
WINDS SHOULD LIGHTEN LATE THURSDAY BUT REMAIN GENERALLY NORTH AT 20-  
30KTS INTO THE WEEKEND. CURRENT THINKING IS FOR WINDS TO FALL BELOW  
20KTS FROM WEST TO EAST SATURDAY INTO THE EVENING HOURS. LIGHT WINDS  
LOOK TO REMAIN INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK, BUT A SYSTEM MOVING THROUGH THE  
REGION LATE SUNDAY/MONDAY WITH TRAILING COLD AIR MAY RESULT IN  
INCREASING WINDS AGAIN MONDAY/TUESDAY.  
 
 
   
MQT WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES  
 
UPPER MICHIGAN...  
WIND ADVISORY UNTIL 4 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON FOR MIZ001-003.  
 
LAKESHORE FLOOD ADVISORY UNTIL 5 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON FOR  
MIZ001.  
 
WIND ADVISORY UNTIL 3 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON FOR MIZ006.  
 
LAKESHORE FLOOD ADVISORY UNTIL 3 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON FOR  
MIZ013.  
 
LAKE SUPERIOR...  
GALE WARNING UNTIL 11 PM EST /10 PM CST/ THIS EVENING FOR  
LSZ162-263.  
 
GALE WARNING UNTIL 6 PM EST /5 PM CST/ THIS EVENING FOR  
LSZ241>244.  
 
GALE WARNING UNTIL 7 PM EST THIS EVENING FOR LSZ245-251-  
264>267.  
 
GALE WARNING UNTIL 4 PM EST THIS AFTERNOON FOR LSZ246>250.  
 
LAKE MICHIGAN...  
NONE.  
 
 
 
 
 
SHORT TERM...TDUD  
LONG TERM...JTP  
AVIATION...JABLONSKI  
MARINE...JTP  
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