955  
WTPZ41 KNHC 092037  
TCDEP1  
 
TROPICAL STORM MAX DISCUSSION NUMBER 8  
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP162023  
400 PM CDT MON OCT 09 2023  
 
MAX IS ESTIMATED TO HAVE MADE LANDFALL AROUND 1800 UTC JUST TO THE  
WEST OF PUERTO VICENTE GUERRERO IN THE MEXICAN PROVENCE OF GUERRERO.  
DATA RECEIVED FROM THE A MEXICAN SURFACE OBSERVING SITE AT THAT  
LOCATION JUST AFTER THE INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY SUGGESTED THE  
TROPICAL STORM MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE STRONGER THAN INITIALLY  
ASSESSED, REPORTING SUSTAINED TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS WITH A  
MINIMUM PRESSURE OF 994 MB. THUS, THE 18 UTC WORKING BEST TRACK  
INTENSITY WAS ADJUSTED TO 55 KT WITH A 991 MB PRESSURE. SINCE THAT  
TIME, THE SATELLITE STRUCTURE HAS BEGUN TO DEGRADE, LIKELY AS THE  
SURFACE CIRCULATION BEGINS TO BE DISRUPTED BY THE HIGH RUGGED  
TERRAIN OF SOUTH-CENTRAL MEXICO. THUS, SOME WEAKENING IS ASSUMED  
SINCE THAT TIME WITH THE CURRENT INTENSITY ASSESSED AT 50 KT.  
FURTHER RAPID WEAKENING IS ANTICIPATED AS THE SMALL TROPICAL CYCLONE  
MOVES FURTHER INLAND, AND BY THIS TIME TOMORROW MAX IS LIKELY TO BE  
LITTLE MORE THAN A REMNANT MID-LEVEL CIRCULATION MOVING POLEWARD  
WITH ENHANCED MOISTURE OVER CENTRAL MEXICO.  
 
THE INITIAL MOTION STILL APPEARS TO BE NORTH-NORTHEAST AT 030/5 KT.  
THIS MOTION SHOULD CONTINUE UNTIL MAX DISSIPATES OVER THE HIGHER  
TERRAIN OF MEXICO. THE TRACK GUIDANCE FOLLOWING THE LOW-LEVEL CENTER  
QUICKLY LOSE THE SYSTEM BEYOND 12 H, AND THE UPDATED TRACK FORECAST  
IS LITTLE CHANGED FROM THE PRIOR ONE. EVEN AS MAX DISSIPATES, ITS  
MID-LEVEL REMAINS AND LARGER MOISTURE PLUME WILL LIKELY RESULT IN  
SIGNIFICANT UPSLOPE RAINFALL, LEADING TO FLASH FLOODING AND  
MUDSLIDES PUSHING INTO INLAND MEXICO.  
 
 
KEY MESSAGES:  
 
1. MAX IS FORECAST TO CONTINUE BRINGING TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS  
THROUGH THIS EVENING TO PORTIONS OF THE SOUTHERN COAST OF MEXICO  
WHERE A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT.  
 
2. HEAVY RAINS FROM MAX WILL LIKELY PRODUCE FLASH AND URBAN  
FLOODING, ALONG WITH POSSIBLE MUDSLIDES IN AREAS OF HIGHER TERRAIN  
ACROSS THE STATES OF GUERRERO AND MICHOACAN.  
 
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INIT 09/2100Z 17.6N 101.0W 50 KT 60 MPH  
12H 10/0600Z 18.2N 100.5W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND  
24H 10/1800Z...DISSIPATED  
 

 
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