764  
WTPZ42 KNHC 181455  
TCDEP2  
 
TROPICAL STORM NORMA DISCUSSION NUMBER 4  
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP172023  
900 AM MDT WED OCT 18 2023  
 
THE SATELLITE PRESENTATION OF NORMA THIS MORNING SUGGESTS THE STORM  
IS STRENGTHENING. DEEP CONVECTION APPEARS TO BE CONSOLIDATING NEAR  
AND OVER THE ESTIMATED CENTER OF THE TROPICAL CYCLONE. A LARGE  
CURVED BAND OF CONVECTION WRAPS AROUND THE EASTERN PORTION OF ITS  
CIRCULATION. THE LATEST OBJECTIVE AND SUBJECTIVE SATELLITE ESTIMATES  
RANGE FROM 55-63 KT, AND THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS RAISED TO 60 KT  
FOR THIS ADVISORY. SCATTEROMETER OVERPASSES ARE EXPECTED LATER  
TODAY, WHICH WILL HELP ASSESS THE STRUCTURE AND EXTENT OF NORMA'S  
WIND FIELD.  
 
IN THE NEAR TERM, THE ATMOSPHERIC AND OCEANIC CONDITIONS APPEAR  
FAVORABLE FOR CONTINUED STRENGTHENING. NORMA IS MOVING OVER VERY  
WARM (>29C) WATERS, WITHIN A MOIST AND VERY DIFFLUENT UPPER-LEVEL  
ENVIRONMENT. WITH ONLY WEAK TO MODERATE DEEP-LAYER SOUTHERLY SHEAR  
EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 12-24 H, NORMA SHOULD BECOME A HURRICANE  
SOON. THE STATISTICAL RAPID INTENSIFICATION (RI) INDICES INDICATE RI  
IS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT DURING THE NEXT 24 H, AND THE NHC INTENSITY  
FORECAST CONTINUES TO EXPLICITLY SHOW RI WITH NORMA PEAKING AS A  
MAJOR HURRICANE IN 24-36 H. THEN, AN INCREASE IN SOUTHWESTERLY SHEAR  
BY THIS WEEKEND SHOULD INDUCE WEAKENING THROUGH THE REST OF THE  
FORECAST PERIOD. THE NHC INTENSITY PREDICTION WAS LOWERED AT DAYS  
4-5 BASED ON THE INCREASINGLY HOSTILE CONDITIONS DEPICTED IN THE  
LATEST GUIDANCE.  
 
NORMA IS MOVING NORTH-NORTHWESTWARD (340/6 KT). THIS GENERAL MOTION  
SHOULD CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS WHILE THE STORM MOVES  
AROUND A WEAK RIDGE TO ITS EAST. THERE IS GREATER THAN NORMAL  
UNCERTAINTY IN THE TRACK FORECAST BEYOND 48-60 H, WITH DIVERGING  
SOLUTIONS AMONG THE VARIOUS TRACK MODELS. STRONGER MODELS WITH A  
DEEPER VORTEX, INCLUDING THE GFS AND REGIONAL HURRICANE MODELS, SHOW  
NORMA TURNING NORTHWARD TO NORTHEASTWARD AND PASSING NEAR THE  
SOUTHERN TIP OF BAJA CALIFORNIA BEFORE APPROACHING MAINLAND MEXICO.  
SOME WEAKER SOLUTIONS, SUCH AS THE ECMWF AND UKMET, SUGGEST NORMA  
COULD MEANDER OFFSHORE OF BAJA CALIFORNIA WITHIN WEAK STEERING  
CURRENTS OR EVEN TURN SOUTHWESTWARD AWAY FROM LAND LATER IN THE  
PERIOD. GIVEN THIS LARGE SPREAD IN THE GUIDANCE, IT SEEMS PRUDENT TO  
AVOID MAKING MAJOR TRACK FORECAST CHANGES THIS MORNING. THEREFORE,  
THE LONGER RANGE NHC FORECAST IS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ONE, BUT  
SHOWS LITTLE NET MOTION AT DAYS 4-5. FUTURE ADVISORIES COULD  
REQUIRE MORE SIGNIFICANT ADJUSTMENTS TO THE TRACK FORECAST.  
 
 
KEY MESSAGES:  
 
1. NORMA IS FORECAST TO BECOME A HURRICANE LATER TODAY AND CONTINUE  
STRENGTHENING THROUGH THURSDAY WHILE IT PASSES WELL OFFSHORE OF  
SOUTHWESTERN MEXICO.  
 
2. THERE IS GREATER THAN NORMAL UNCERTAINTY IN THE TRACK AND  
INTENSITY FORECASTS FOR NORMA LATER THIS WEEK AND THIS WEEKEND WHILE  
IT APPROACHES THE BAJA CALIFORNIA PENINSULA. REGARDLESS, NORMA COULD  
BRING WIND AND RAINFALL IMPACTS TO SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF BAJA  
CALIFORNIA SUR BY SATURDAY, AND INTERESTS THERE SHOULD MONITOR THE  
LATEST FORECAST UPDATES.  
 
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INIT 18/1500Z 14.8N 107.9W 60 KT 70 MPH  
12H 19/0000Z 15.8N 108.1W 75 KT 85 MPH  
24H 19/1200Z 16.9N 108.3W 90 KT 105 MPH  
36H 20/0000Z 17.8N 108.5W 100 KT 115 MPH  
48H 20/1200Z 18.7N 109.0W 90 KT 105 MPH  
60H 21/0000Z 19.6N 109.5W 85 KT 100 MPH  
72H 21/1200Z 20.8N 109.9W 75 KT 85 MPH  
96H 22/1200Z 21.9N 109.9W 65 KT 75 MPH  
120H 23/1200Z 22.5N 109.5W 55 KT 65 MPH  
 

 
FORECASTER REINHART  
 
 
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