155  
WTPZ45 KNHC 231447  
TCDEP5  
 
TROPICAL STORM JOHN DISCUSSION NUMBER 4  
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL EP102024  
900 AM CST MON SEP 23 2024  
 
SATELLITE IMAGES SHOW THAT JOHN HAS BEEN STRENGTHENING QUICKLY. A  
LARGE AREA OF COLD CLOUD TOPS BETWEEN -70C AND -85C IS PRESENT OVER  
THE TROPICAL CYCLONE, WITH TIGHT CURVED BANDS WRAPPING AROUND THE  
CENTER. THE LATEST SUBJECTIVE DVORAK INTENSITY ESTIMATES ARE  
T-3.5/55 KT FROM TAFB AND T-3.0/45 KT FROM SAB. RECENT OBJECTIVE  
DVORAK INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM UW-CIMSS HAVE BEEN RANGING BETWEEN  
57 AND 76 KT. A 23/0836 UTC AMSR-2 MICROWAVE PASS SHOWS THAT THE  
INNER CORE HAS BECOME MUCH BETTER DEFINED, SHOWING A SMALL EYE-LIKE  
FEATURE ON MICROWAVE IMAGERY, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE NO SIGNS OF AN EYE  
SHOWING UP YET IN INFRARED OR VISIBLE IMAGES. A 23/1011 UTC SSMIS  
PASS SHOWED A SIMILAR STRUCTURE TO THE AMSR-2 PASS. BASED ON THE  
ABOVE DATA AND IMAGERY, THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS RAISED TO 60 KT.  
 
JOHN WILL CONTINUE TO BE LOCATED WITHIN AN ENVIRONMENT OF EXTREMELY  
WARM OCEAN TEMPERATURES, LIGHT WIND SHEAR AND A MOIST LOW- TO  
MID-LEVEL TROPOSPHERE AS IT APPROACHES THE COAST OF MEXICO. WHILE  
THE HURRICANE REGIONAL AND DYNAMICAL MODELS SHOW A MORE LIMITED  
AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING, THE STATISTICAL MODELS LIKE  
SHIPS AND LGEM ARE AT THE HIGH END OF THE GUIDANCE SUITE. GIVEN  
THAT THE SYSTEM HAS ALREADY INTENSIFIED BY 30 KT IN THE PAST 18 H,  
AND GIVEN THAT THE SHIPS RAPID INTENSITY INDEX IS SHOWING GREATER  
THAN AN 85 PERCENT CHANCE OF A 30-KT INCREASE IN THE NEXT 24 H, THE  
NHC INTENSITY FORECAST WILL NOW EXPLICITLY SHOW RAPID STRENGTHENING  
OVER THE NEXT 24 H. THIS INTENSITY FORECAST IS AT THE HIGH END OF  
THE GUIDANCE SUITE. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT JOHN COULD PEAK EVEN  
HIGHER THAN SHOWN BELOW BETWEEN THE 24 H FORECAST POINT AND WHEN IT  
IS FORECAST TO MOVE INLAND AROUND 36 HOURS. INTERESTS ALONG THE  
COAST OF SOUTHERN MEXICO SHOULD CLOSELY MONITOR FUTURE FORECAST  
UPDATES ON JOHN.  
 
BASED ON CENTER FIXES OVER THE PAST 6 TO 12 HOURS, JOHN'S MOTION IS  
ESTIMATED TO BE NORTHWARD, OR 0 DEGREES AT 3 KT. JOHN IS EMBEDDED  
IN VERY WEAK STEERING CURRENTS, AND THE PRIMARY STEERING MECHANISM  
IS LIKELY THE SOUTHWESTERLY MONSOONAL FLOW THAT THE CYCLONE IS  
EMBEDDED IN. THE NEW NHC TRACK FORECAST HAS BEEN SHIFTED TO THE  
WEST OF THE PREVIOUS OFFICIAL FORECAST AND NOW LIES VERY NEAR THE  
LATEST MODEL CONSENSUS. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE TRACK FORECAST  
AND TIMING OF WHEN THE CENTER REACHES THE COAST IS MORE UNCERTAIN  
THAN NORMAL.  
 
KEY MESSAGES:  
 
1. JOHN IS EXPECTED TO BECOME A HURRICANE LATER TODAY AND  
ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS LIKELY BEFORE THE CENTER REACHES THE  
COAST OF SOUTHERN MEXICO WITHIN THE HURRICANE WARNING AREA ON  
TUESDAY. DAMAGING HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS AND A DANGEROUS STORM SURGE  
ARE EXPECTED WITHIN PORTIONS OF THE WARNING AREA.  
 
2. JOHN WILL BRING VERY HEAVY RAINFALL TO COASTAL PORTIONS OF  
SOUTHERN MEXICO THROUGH THIS WEEK. THIS HEAVY RAINFALL WILL LIKELY  
CAUSE SIGNIFICANT AND POSSIBLY CATASTROPHIC, LIFE-THREATENING FLASH  
FLOODING AND MUDSLIDES TO THE MEXICAN STATES OF CHIAPAS, OAXACA, AND  
SOUTHEAST GUERRERO, PARTICULARLY IN AREAS NEAR THE COAST.  
 
 
FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS  
 
INIT 23/1500Z 14.8N 98.5W 60 KT 70 MPH  
12H 24/0000Z 15.2N 98.3W 75 KT 85 MPH  
24H 24/1200Z 15.7N 97.9W 90 KT 105 MPH  
36H 25/0000Z 16.0N 97.6W 90 KT 105 MPH...INLAND  
48H 25/1200Z 16.2N 97.4W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND  
60H 26/0000Z...DISSIPATED  
 

 
FORECASTER HAGEN  
 
 
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